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Originally posted by Kuroodo
Could this be a sign that there will be a war soon. So, they are forcing people to swear an oath. Since you swore an oath, when you are drafted you can;t say no. If you do, you can't say it's unconstitutional because you basically swore an oath.
Much like blindly agreeing to the terms of service on a website or when you download software.
Originally posted by CX
The only problem i have with this is....
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic
.....kind of gets confusing when it comes to this part...
and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States
What do you do? Obey the President, or the constitution?
Seems to be it's one or the other at the moment.
Another thing, what happens when the leaders of a country become the "enemy", or at least someone you have to defend yourself against?
I'd like to see someone graduate, then get refused their diploma.....then sue the ass off of the school or whoever is behind this.
I, _________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge these duties; So help me God.
Originally posted by 200Plus
reply to post by CX
I asked my commander that once. "what if the President's orders are against the Constitution"?
His reply was "the President's orders are never agaisnt the Constitution".
Scarey day and one of the major reasons I decided to retire.
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by WhiteAlice
Although I certainly appreciate the sentiment behind this bill, it won't stand and if it passes it will be struck down by the Arizona Supreme Court. You can not make someone say "so help me God". Even if this did pass does it really matter?? Our politicians and law enforcement take this oath and it doesn't seem to matter, so why would it make a difference if a private citizen did??
Originally posted by Puck 22
reply to post by windword
I am a retired postal worker. For what it's worth I took no oath. None of my friends, mostly current and ex-postal workers, claim to remember taking any oath...
Maybe they do things differently in Jersey? Ya think?
Under federal law, Postal Service employees must subscribe to the following oath or affirmation:
“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.”
Originally posted by Detergent
Don't put too much into this. Arizona, like most states, has its share of whack-jobs in the state legislature. That some whack-job proposes a bill is a long way from that bill becoming law. This bill won't. Never would. We're not *that* crazy.
-A participant in AZ politics.