It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by balanc3
Misdiagnosed. ....I think the health care pros have to be on point in their diagnoses because if they're not then people won't get the treatment they need and could be endangering themselves or other at worst.. Or at the very least the quality of life could be suffering from an untreated mental illness.
I'm not sure whose the target of the dumbass question but I posted last......
im schizophrenic also, i thought my family members were reptillian shapeshifters.
Originally posted by paxnatus
People get a grip!!!! That goes to all of you with the exception of boymonkey, hijinx and a couple of others!
You want to know what it is like inside the mind of an unmedicated Schizophrenic?
You tell me what is psychic about sticking your hand in a fuse box to remove a camera, or thinking your husband is going to kidnap your children, take them out of country and have you thrown in prison for terrorism! Try calling your father and begging him to change his will because he will be kidnapped and held for ransom. Perhaps you would like to drive around a parking lot recording the tags off cars, drive home five hours later and wait for them to pass your house!
Can you see what I see? Can you feel what I feel? I tell you the honest truth, for the one it is happening to, IT IS REAL! It is the only thing we know, and our belief becomes so fixed that looking at the hard evidence to the contrary doesnt make a difference. I can tell you, the feeling I had was nothing short of terror!!!
Imagine what it feels like to see something NO ONE else can? On one hand you are perplexed and confused that someone else doesnt see something, on the other you are terrorfied to know you see something that no one else does and you begin to wonder, "Am I totally losing it? Are they in this together?
For the grand finale, try BELIEVING someone is purposely trying to drive you insane!! Not thinking they might be, but convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that they ARE and that person is someone you are deeply in love with.
Do you see what I am getting at? I couldnt make this up if I tried. NOt a pretty sight and it only gets worse, until that person seeks treatment!!!
Ask me questions if you want to know what its like living with schizophrenia! As much as I hate this illness, I must deal with it because it is very real in my life and not dealing with it is not fair to the people I love and whom love me!
Originally posted by Kokatsi
reply to post by atlasastro
Well, you write there should be a pattern in the alternate world... it is logical.
But schizophrenia isn't a logical experience.
I am familiar with Huxley, Leary, Mckenna and many others who have shared similar views. I think you are over simplifying what schizophrenics experience. To say that schizophrenics cannot filter enough is to state by proxy that their auditory and visual hallucinations are actually real in the external world but they are simply unable to filter them out as other humans consciously would. The hallucinations are generated by the consciousness of the schizophrenic, it is not external, but an internal problem.
Huxley had this theory on consciousness after experimenting with mescaline (he wrote his famous article "The Doors of Perception" on that) that our normal consciousness is like a filter, a sieve. By that analogue, taken up by many alternative psychiatrists later, the world of most schizophrenics lacks enough filtration.
I understand your point and it is a very valid one but I think it is important to point out that they may percieve them diffently but that does not change the nature of time, space, colour, or the audio input. The nature of that is constant, but the subjective perception may change over time.
Small children for that matter, do perceive time, space, colors, audio input, sometimes voices and apparitions differently, and they learn to forget it as they adjust.
It is interesting to consider. It might also be interesting to consider the realationship between "profound herbal intoxication" and schizophrenia.
I remember this because I explored this world in therapy in detail. What I discovered about my perception didn't change since those years, and some of it is changes in perception that are pretty general. E.g. the time sense of an average 2-3 yr old kid is as different from ours as that of a person in a profound herbal intoxication. As they fall asleep, psychedelic patterns and voice hallucinations are not uncommon. We just don' remember this.