reply to post by ANOK
That you have to figure out yourself. You have the power, you all do,
My question of "how" was rhetorical, as I contend a system without greed, corruption, or oligarchy is unrealistic. If you could discover a way of
providing infinite resources, maybe such a system would exist, but reality is not so fair.
Now I believe you can make the system better, and in some ways I think it is getting better (albeit very very slowly).
but you have to stop with the individualism nonsense
Well individualism has its merits, depending on your interpretation of the philosophy.
and realise the enemy is not liberals or conservatives, it is those in power, politically and economically.
Sure the authority is always the "enemy", funny though how we elect the majority of them. Humans are paradoxical when it comes to the concept of
authority, we strive for leadership, yet we condemn the leaders we elect. Is this not a great example of the human condition? The authority will
always commit acts that the people will deplore, yet the authority deems necessary, reality practically dictates this.
This reminds me of Chomsky...
“Authority, unless justified, is inherently illegitimate, and the burden of proof is on those in authority. If this burden can't be met, the
authority in question should be dismantled.”
I agree with him. However, I have come to the conclusion that the modern day western authority is justified, as are good many of its actions. Just a
few weeks ago I made a thread about the application and justification of authority, I had been so confused about the political world that I made it in
haste, but after writing it I realized that my own political idealism had clouded my since of logic, and reason.
The world we live in is not black, or white, it is a deep, deep grey.
The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy, or the grey aliens, or the twelve-foot
reptiloids from another dimension that are in control, the truth is far more frightening; no-one is in control, the world is rudderless."
But the reality is nothing is going to get accomplished with politics because it's not designed to, Politics is just a distraction to keep
your eye off the ball, the ball being the economic system. The economic system is where the real power is, and where any real change has to start. The
governments left-right soap opera is just there to distract you from that reality.
How is accomplished through any other means? Any form of resistance, or organisation which could be formed by its nature would be political.
I see the economic system and the political system to be one and the same, the idea of free markets has always been really disingenuous, as the state
must control the authority within the corporate sector, because it is unaccountable.
There is no real left wing, no real opposition to anything, just superficial causes. We have confused social issues with political issues, so
people are focused on abortion instead of real political issues. Abortion is not a left or right wing issue, it is a personal issue. Left and right is
not an emotional choice. Not agreeing with abortion doesn't mean you can't support worker ownership, and anti-statism. Doesn't mean it makes you
automatically right-wing, people just use irrelevant social issues to label themselves.
Sure, US politics is screwed up that was my point from the beginning. However this is not a failure of the political system, this is a failure of
education, and the existence of an "us and them" culture.
And I'm sorry but the society with no state does not exist, and it never will, because we seek authority, and it manifests itself.
This is done purposely to keep us week, and powerless.
No its not, it is because we elect leaders who have been indoctrinated in idealism and extremism, not because of some malevolent plot.
edit on
28-1-2013 by Openeye because: (no reason given)
