Originally posted by Jerseymilker
There are plenty of jobs here in Alberta, the issue is Alberta folk won't work them. That's why places like Tim Horton's is staffed mostly with folks from over seas.
Everyone wants a job that pays a crap load of money, but they don't wish to work for that money. Give me, give me, give me is the name of the game. Immigrants and over seas workers will come in and do the jobs that normal Canadian's/Albertans won't , I am not going to fault them for that.
It's not up to the Government to put folks to work, it's up to folks to put themselves to work! In Alberta they scream for people to fill the jobs, and no one comes. The jobs have to be filled by someone. Watch the job boards for a while, the jobs that say almost point blank "We are only hiring Canadians" never seem to never get filled. And yes we have job ads like that, at least here in Alberta.
The jobs are over flowing again at least in Alberta, maybe you and people like you are not looking hard enough.
reply to post by Propulsion
Ok, I see how it works. Let’s go ahead and invade another country and use up all their resources because you’re too lazy to stand up as a people in your own country and make a difference.
Originally posted by ANOK
Originally posted by Propulsion
They need to stand up to their Government and make change, instead of going to some other country where change is made to cater them.
But their government isn't really the problem, it's their economy.
They have a capitalist economy, and the capitalists owners are an extremely small minority, almost just one family. They pay workers very little, and take all the wealth for themselves.
If the workers owned the means of production they wouldn't need to migrate.
Originally posted by MysticPearl
I believe all humans, no matter where they were born(which isn't something in anyone's control) have the right to seek a better life for themselves, wherever that may be.
Yes, sometimes that takes jobs away from citizens of the countries to move too, but immigration also has a habit of highlighting the incompetence of various governments. When there's not enough jobs for citizens, which is a problem in the US as well as Canada, and many other countries by the way, it's usually poor decision making practices by the government(s) which contributed greatly to the problem.
I just hate the idea that because someone happened to be born in Mexico, Guatemala, Romania, Kenya, among many other countries, that they don't have the right as humans on our planet to seek a better life for themselves. Sure they can go through immigration procedures for different countries but those by in large are faulty, broken systems in the first place, and shouldn't dictate where us humans can live, reside or earn a living on our planet.
Immigration in the first place in built upon the thought process that a country says this is ours, you can't enter and we have a greater right to this part of our planet than you do, even though we all share this planet and have no control over where or when we are born.edit on 25-1-2013 by MysticPearl because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Adonsa
The threat to and demise of jobs, across your Southern border, comes from non-immigrants. These are not just Mexican border jumpers, but replacement-worker holders of the infamous non-immigrant h-1b visa arriving at the rate of 65000 + 20000 per year.
While Mexican border jumpers replace blue collar workers (ostensibly, jobs that Americans won't do), h-1b replacement workers (from places like Chennai, Bangalore, Delhi, Pune, etc) command white collar technical jobs. Politicians demand we believe that there are only 65,000 replacement workers in the US at any time. Truth is, that figure (65000+20000) are arrivals per year, for their 6+1 years visa duration. So, if you run the numbers, and this has been going on since the 1990's, it becomes obvious that these replacement workers (along with offshore outsourcing workers domiciled in India) dominate America's info tech workforce. "Visa-Overstays" are those who exceed their 7 year tenure, and also impact jobs that Americans are fired from.
If soetoro has his way, the 85,000 per year cap will be eliminated to allow unlimited h-1b replacement workers as fast as the transportation will send them to the US. Several years ago, a website link appeared (quickly taken down afterwards) that Tata Corporation could send in 10 million replacement workers on short notice. There's no proof of that link, but given the massive population of offshoring workers domiciled in India, they have the capacity to send in millions more replacement workers as fast as the airlift and sealift can get them to the US.
Even more insidious is that the norm whereby Americans are coerced/intimidated to train their foreign replacements prior to being fired, and there are long lists of these instances. The US government allows this situation to fester.
Replacement workers will probably enjoy exemptions from obamacare, since they are (indentured) employees of the giant India based corporations (ie. Tata) and farmed out to US firms. The obamacare law is already causing US firms to reduce their staffs to part-time and/or to less than 50 employees, and may eventually increase their demand for foreign replacement workers.
Non-immigrant replacement workers are represented by
--- the giant lobby organization, NASSCOM,
--- by The Immigration Voice Website even though the h-1b visa is non-immigrant
--- by sell-out (liberal AND conservative) Democrat and Republican congressmen
--- by Senator Cornyn (shame on you, Senator, you ought to know better!)
--- by the powerful Friends of India Caucus
--- by hussein soetoro and his enormous czar staff.
Fired (outsourced) US workers are represented by:
--- nobody but themselves.
Originally posted by AccessDenied
I have completely and utterly, lost all patience and tolerance for new immigrants coming into my country (Canada) and taking away employment opportunity for people who were born here.
Let me be clear ,..Iam not racist. I embrace all cultures and beliefs. This is not about that. This is plain and simply about not enough jobs already, and our government is stupidly filling them with immigrants.
If you can't find employment you have no choice but to go on welfare, but omg, that makes you a third rate citizen.
While in one of my favorite shopping haunts today the cashier was conversing to another regular customer.
It seems, the customers daughter,who was a college graduate, applied for a job she had both education and experience for...but was passed over for a new immigrant. Now, that might in itself seem isolated..but it's not. Where I live, you go to any restaurant, fast food, coffee shop etc...and English is the second language. This town is overflowing with young people who should be flipping burgers but cannot get any work experience. Employers claim that the immigrants are harder workers,more reliable, etc. How do you know if you won't even give a local an interview? I know it's not just my town, or my province. I just can't freakin understand it. Government complains how much it has to dish out for social services, well damn ...stop inviting people into the country that take away our jobs. THERE ISN'T ENOUGH TO GO AROUND.
And icing on the cake I read this stupidity today...
Canada announces new startup visa program to attract entrepreneurs starting on April 1
The program is the first of its kind in Canada and is being pitched as “a powerful incentive to attract individuals with great potential.” By giving immigrant entrepreneurs permanent residency and immediate access to a wide range of business partners, Canada hopes to position itself as a destination of choice for startups.
Now, at first this may seem a good idea...NOT. It doesn't mean more jobs for those born and bred here. They will hire from within their own culture...and who could blame them? I would!
It's sickening that we cannot survive in our own country.
/Rant offedit on 25-1-2013 by AccessDenied because: title clarification
Originally posted by ZetaExplorer15
reply to post by LFN69
Your ignorance shows clearly. You obviously do not know how the other half of farmers operate. What I mean by "other half" is that not all farmers pay immigrants "cheaply" because they can. It seems like you are making assumptions based off of what you here on the streets and see in the paper.