Sorry, but America has been fighting this forever. Politicians must be politically correct at the cost of their citizens. They would look bad to the world if they did not treat their guests better than their family. That is their mindset I'm afraid.

By the way, canadian bacon is ham! Sorry, I always say that to Canadians.

I wish you luck with that. You will need it.

I believe all humans, no matter where they were born(which isn't something in anyone's control) have the right to seek a better life for themselves, wherever that may be.

Yes, sometimes that takes jobs away from citizens of the countries to move too, but immigration also has a habit of highlighting the incompetence of various governments. When there's not enough jobs for citizens, which is a problem in the US as well as Canada, and many other countries by the way, it's usually poor decision making practices by the government(s) which contributed greatly to the problem.

I just hate the idea that because someone happened to be born in Mexico, Guatemala, Romania, Kenya, among many other countries, that they don't have the right as humans on our planet to seek a better life for themselves. Sure they can go through immigration procedures for different countries but those by in large are faulty, broken systems in the first place, and shouldn't dictate where us humans can live, reside or earn a living on our planet.

Immigration in the first place in built upon the thought process that a country says this is ours, you can't enter and we have a greater right to this part of our planet than you do, even though we all share this planet and have no control over where or when we are born.

Im going to renounce my US citizenship, leave the country and then come back illegally so I can get all the special loans to open a business or all of the social service "entitlements"

They should be making the new immigrants go to where they are needed.

Saskatchewan has a people shortage because everyone seems to think its too cold.

I've seen problems there, such as not enough housing because there isn't enough housing to put people in, to build more houses.
They should never be immigrating into areas that already have job shortages.
That just proves the stupidity of our government.

It could always be worse, you could join the EU...

Your immigration problems are nothing on the UK

Originally posted by Juggernog
Im going to renounce my US citizenship, leave the country and then come back illegally so I can get all the special loans to open a business or all of the social service "entitlements"

I too have thought of doing that as well.

American citizens (tax payers) always get the shaft from every direction.

Its as if America has been infiltrated by Traitors to give the shaft to us Americans. They are currently working on disarming us, and will probably give all of our guns away to our Southern border for a nice invasion.

Americans... always getting the shaft by our Traitors in charge.

Well the issue is that it allows a company, organization, business, etc. to exploit the system by paying the immigrant LESS money than the citizen --- am I correct?

So then that is the real issue. Immigration could be turned into a very positive thing, if these politicians worked hard to balance it out. Call it the Fair Business Act.

I see the immigrant as well as the citizen being exploited in this situation, to be honest.
Gotta look at who is really winning. The man who pays anyone the wages of a slave is directly trying to become a master over another life.

Originally posted by MysticPearl
I believe all humans, no matter where they were born(which isn't something in anyone's control) have the right to seek a better life for themselves, wherever that may be.

Yes, sometimes that takes jobs away from citizens of the countries to move too, but immigration also has a habit of highlighting the incompetence of various governments. When there's not enough jobs for citizens, which is a problem in the US as well as Canada, and many other countries by the way, it's usually poor decision making practices by the government(s) which contributed greatly to the problem.

I just hate the idea that because someone happened to be born in Mexico, Guatemala, Romania, Kenya, among many other countries, that they don't have the right as humans on our planet to seek a better life for themselves. Sure they can go through immigration procedures for different countries but those by in large are faulty, broken systems in the first place, and shouldn't dictate where us humans can live, reside or earn a living on our planet.

Immigration in the first place in built upon the thought process that a country says this is ours, you can't enter and we have a greater right to this part of our planet than you do, even though we all share this planet and have no control over where or when we are born.

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Can't say you are wrong in many of those thoughts, sounds like you are a One World Gov. type person so you may soon see your wish coming true.

I thought the Australian system made some sense when I looked at it many years ago while considering my options. It may have changed but as I understood it by reading all the material, I had to either be able to prove I could independently support myself through pre-existing funds they'd demand proof of before granting immigration OR I had to be qualified within specific fields they determined were in demand without locals being able to fill all the positions currently needed.

Apparently, a temporary stay to work wouldn't be a problem and it shouldn't be, in my opinion. They had no sense of humor in their regulations when it came to making a home there though. It was a rather tight set of standards to meet.

By contrast? The United States is still bringing in a steady flow of foreign high skill workers on visa while college grads up to doctorate level get their degrees to find they're STILL stuck asking people if they'd like fries with their order. Something is definitely wrong there and it's interesting to hear Canada is much the same.

Originally posted by snowspirit
They should be making the new immigrants go to where they are needed.

Saskatchewan has a people shortage because everyone seems to think its too cold.

I've seen problems there, such as not enough housing because there isn't enough housing to put people in, to build more houses.
They should never be immigrating into areas that already have job shortages.
That just proves the stupidity of our government.

I agree with you. But from what I hear out your way and beyond, there is also mutiny on the bounty for anyone from other provinces to come in and work.

You need to protest and say close the borders. Really this is the only way people will listen. But whilst people are being politically correct, nothing will go the way you want. It will get worse.

Look I myself am from a family of immigrants, we moved here to be away from a very dangerous country. Anyways, if we were at the bottom of the pile say job wise, educationally wise, etc I dont see this as a bad thing especially not initially. People need to be tested before just joining. I think.

When in Rome you are in Rome! This way you would find that you wouldnt get say a black coming into a white country and staying with their culture. Youd find instead a black coming in and learning maybe white ways, and maybe even surpassing the white ways, in the sense that they become so well integrated that they do the culture in that country justice.

But having said that the govenments are actually very SELECTIVE as to who gate crashes a country. For example, in the UK you find Romanians trying to come very often here, and certain people of similar ethnicity and they always chuck them back out.

But if its muslims or africans and indians they welcome them.

So its orchestrated.

Either way the natives of the country should be listened to, they are what makes the country the country it is.

Originally posted by FreedomEntered
You need to protest and say close the borders. Really this is the only way people will listen. But whilst people are being politically correct, nothing will go the way you want. It will get worse.

Look I myself am from a family of immigrants, we moved here to be away from a very dangerous country. Anyways, if we were at the bottom of the pile say job wise, educationally wise, etc I dont see this as a bad thing especially not initially. People need to be tested before just joining. I think.

The bottom is regarded as bad, I dont know why. But having said that the govenments are actually very SELECTIVE as to who gate crashes a country. For example, in the UK you find Romanians trying to come very often here, and certain people of similar ethnicity and they always chuck them back out.

But if its muslims or africans and indians they welcome them.

So its orchestrated.

Either way the natives of the country should be listened to, they are what makes the country the country it is.

Considering the Prime Minister is now buddy- buddy with China...the floodgates have opened and all us locals are gonna drown.

Ive given an example of what you can do. Stop being proud and get out on the streets and say you want newcomers to appreciate the culture of the country. Its important this happens. Its the joy of joining a new country surely. To learn new ways. To add to the country.

As Im a second generation of immigrants , and my grandparents werent isolated I might say. You know some people join a country and just stay in their families/ mix very little.

I have learned to appreciate the UK with my heart. I feel very fearful that our culture will at any point be destroyed. Because the culture in the UK is my passion.

Being the children or grandchildren of immigrants is different.