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God created the world,
whereas I, Leonardo,
born into God’s world,
now soon departing,
have seen his work.
Much of what I saw,
did I study, draw, describe,
and paint. Yet my work is
incomplete, and only a shadow
of nature, God’s brilliant creation.
And if you lose a great artist in me,
don’t be sad; just look at nature,
consider the work of the greatest
artist, the splendid creation by God.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by Myrtales Instinct
ETA: Also, in the passage you referred to it says that while in prison, John sent his disciples to Jesus. If he was in prison then how did he communicate with any of his disciples? Much less expect an answer in return? That doesn't make any sense.edit on 29-1-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)edit on 29-1-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by Logarock
Of course I have, but I also believe the bible has been changed, edited, re-edited, cut down, re-cut down, etc. so I believe some things were put in to cover up the truth.
That verse is located within a chapter where Jesus apparently performs all kinds of miracles. Miracles defy the laws of nature and Jesus even says those that perform miracles in his name were evil-doers. If they could add in the miracles then they could add in stuff, or change the context of a passage by changing a few names. It's completely within reason to believe the story has been changed, they had plenty of ink and paper back then.
MacDonald's essay referenced similarities between stories in Acts and The Bacchae by Euripides, and this, of course, piqued my curiosity. (Euripides was reported as being one of Plutarch's favorite poets and dramatists.) I looked it up on the Internet: www.4literature.net/Euripides/Bacchae/.
There were a couple of other things in Bacchae that seem to apply here: The main character is Dionysus, son of Zeus. Zeus is actually named in Acts, as well as Dionysius:
Acts 13:11: "And when the crowds saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices saying in Lycaonian, 'The gods have come down to us in the likeness of men!' Barnabas they called Zeus, and Paul, because he was the chief speaker, they called Hermes."
Acts 17:34: "But some of them joined him and became believers, including Dionysius the Areopagite and a woman named Damaris, and others with them."
First Barnabas, Paul's companion, is called Zeus. Then Dionysius becomes another of Paul's companions. Twice Acts refers the educated reader to myths about Zeus, and specifically to the story of Dionysus in Bacchae by Euripides. What can Bacchae tell us about Paul?
Bacchae's Cadmus speaks words which are of great importance:
"Even though he is no god, as you assert, still say he is; be guilty of a splendid fraud, declaring him the son of Semele, that she may be thought the mother of a god and we and all our race gain honor."
In the very early years of Christianity, there was a great debate and a great division between two opposing factions fighting for dominance. One side, represented by those later labeled Gnostics: Nazarenes, Essenes, Pythagoreans, and others, said Jesus was a spiritually evolved teacher. The other side, Paul's supporters, claimed that Jesus was a god -- the God, in fact. It's clear which faction won out and which faction the church would eventually label heretics.
Later in the story Dionysus is bound and thrown into a stall; he describes the events:
Dionysus: "Meantime came the Bacchic god and made the house quake . . ."
Luke 16:26: ". . . and suddenly there was a great earthquake . . . "
Dionysus: " . . . and thinking maybe that I had escaped, rushed into the palace with his murderous sword unsheathed."
Luke 16:27: " . . . he drew his sword and was about to kill himself, supposing that the prisoners had escaped . . ."
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Have you told them yet how you think that John was also Jesus and that "he" was a woman?
I'd like to see how that goes over.
Originally posted by chr0naut
Greek & Roman societies at the time were openly gay.