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Study accidentally exposes chemotherapy as fraud - tumors grow faster after chemo!

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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 12:15 AM
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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 12:23 AM
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I've been blessed to not have cancer so far, even if i had it. I would ask to ride it out and enjoy life till the end! Life is so precious, that people take it for granted.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 01:26 AM
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Before I would go the chemo route, I would have to try the Laetrile Treatment. Do a google search for it. I've also heard good things about turmeric. I just don't trust doctors any more. They are only in it for the money. They don't want to cure you, they only want to treat the symptoms enough to keep you coming back and putting more money in their pocket.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 01:43 AM
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With my father-in-law,the chemo seems to work as far as the tumors go,but there are complications.
The immunity system is severely weakened.
That invites all kinds of problems in itself.
The guy has aged 20 years in just a few years because of it.
Heck,he is in the hospital now because of some infection in his jaw,which in turn prevented him from eating.
And so on.
And so on.It doesn't seem to end.
What kills you faster,the disease or the cure?

I'm sorry Op,but I haven't really read the thread,just from a personal perspective.
The tumors go away,but seem to come back.
The docs treat it,but health and quality of life declines.
It's like they are milking him for all the money they can for as long as they can keep him alive.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 04:48 AM
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I have been accused of using he truth like a sharp knife but the reality is I do not lie and don't give a damn who it upsets. I have spoken only of my own first hand experience with Chemotherapy and what some say is the best Cancer Treatment Hospital on the West Coast.

I will now be even harsher in pointing out that Chemotherapy works by killing both healthy and unhealthy cells; that healthy cells will reproduce themselves, while unhealthy cancerous cells will not. Mind you, the "Specialists" will include a number of other drugs with various side effects that are mean to help the body deal with the attack upon the body's system and some drugs to hinder cancerous cells from jumping over the dead zone barrier and reproducing past and in spite of the chemo treatments. Radiation works much the same way in that it kills or begins to kill all cells it comes in contact with and only healthy cells are able (hopefully) to cope with it, while cancer and diseased cells can't.

Well now, if the above does not sound like a barbaric approach to fighting cancer, I do not know what does. The fact is our bodies are full of cancer cells that the immune system kills naturally and will kill in a healthy body/system but Chemo and Radiation both hinder and cripple the body's immune system so, what the hell is that..god medicine?

Moreover, I suggest Doctors are just like Attorneys; Attorneys are in the Business of Litigation and have a vested interest in prolonged litigation; Doctors are in the Business of Treating Patients and NOT curing patients when and where prolonged treatment will be paid for. When was the last time anyone here saw a Doctor and they were told to go get some sleep, take some vitamins and let their immune system take care of the rest ?

So once again, I wish all and any "Good Luck" if they want to put their lives in the hands of the AMA, Big Pharma and their minions. This goes for the Psychotherapy Industry as well. Thanks but No Thanks as far as me and mine are concerned.
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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by NeoVain

Study accidentally exposes chemotherapy as fraud - tumors grow faster after chemo!


www.naturalnews.com


With all the respect, the original study is talking only about certain type of prostate cancer.

And as the authors of the link hint about the hidden agenda of mainstream medicine, I am not fully convinced they do not have one themselves...




What this means, for all intents and purposes, is that the entire process of chemotherapy is completely worthless, and is actually highly detrimental for cancer patients. Anyone searching for a real cure will want to avoid chemotherapy, in other words, and pursue an alternate route.

(Same source URL)



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 09:27 AM
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population control X money machine = the cancer industry



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 09:33 AM
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Chemo got rid of my moms cancer, killed off the tumor entirely and she is cancer free.

Chemo is not a fraud, but cancer is a bi*ch to get rid of, so if the chemo does not work, don't blame it on the chemo, blame it on the cancer and doctors who dunno wtf they are doing. The cancer was eating my mom alive, and once chemo started, believe it or not, the color came back in her hair (it didn't fall out) and she gained weight and has been cancer free for 6 years. So to say chemo is a fraud is BS. It saved my moms life.

Just my thoughts.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 09:56 AM
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Oh my father had leukemia and no chemo was used. He used Essiac and Concord Grape Juice.


May I ask how long he survived using that treatment ?
Or was he cured ?
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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 10:52 AM
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I have 2 personal stories, I hear tons of these stories and they all seem to be ignored by the "pro establishment" people.

1) My ex-gf's grandmother. Perfect health, no symptoms of illness of any kind. Diagnosed with cancer, doctors said it had been in her system for a while and thus they needed to do some aggressive treatment. IMMEDIATELY after this diagnosis and treatment she began showing signs of illness. Her condition rapidly deteriorated and after one month she could barely walk to the bathroom, and she was hallucinating. Within 2 months she was dead.

2) My current gf's dog. Pretty overweight with this large growth on its butt about the size of a small lemon, so it was pretty large. My gf was lazy about taking her to the vet but I pushed her to do it. They diagnosed the dog with cancer, and suggested surgery to remove the tumor and chemo and serious medications. We went ahead with the surgery, it was pretty major and left 2 big scars. But still I was wary about the chemo and medications. So I read up online. It said that those medications often kill the dogs, and something as simple as an alteration of her diet can remove the conditions that encourage cancer. So we changed the dog's diet, and it was like day and night. Her scars healed extremely quickly, all signs of cancer disappeared, and to top all this off, her weight dropped to what her normal weight should be.

I'm not implying that doctors are in on a conspiracy, they are just clock punchers like everyone else. It is only simple human flaws, such as apathy and greed and pride, that allows people to overlook such huge flaws in their system.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
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Ill believe it more if a real science journal picks it up.


Well that's the thing here, it is a peer reviewed article published in Nature Medicine.

It's morons like Mike Adams who take an article like this and twist it into something completely different.

Anyway, I'll do what he didn't and provide a link to the paper:

www.ayurvedicpoint.it...

It's difficult to read and understand for us Layman's but we have a nice summary written by one of the principal authors, Peter S. Nelson:

www.eurekalert.org...


Cancer therapies are increasingly evolving to be very specific, targeting key molecular engines that drive the cancer rather than more generic vulnerabilities, such as damaging DNA. Our findings indicate that the tumor microenvironment also can influence the success or failure of these more precise therapies." In other words, the same cancer cell, when exposed to different "neighborhoods," may have very different responses to treatment.




Why did you not post something from the actual study? That quote you posted did not summarize the study at all. Besides, in the above quote Mr. Nelson, still says the tumor micro environment can still influence the success of failure of the cancer AND MAY have different responses to treatment.

Here is the first paragraph of the research:


Acquired resistance to anticancer treatments is a substantial barrier to reducing the morbidity and mortality that is attributable to malignant tumors. Components of tissue microenvironments are recognized to profoundly influence cellular phenotypes,including susceptibilities to toxic insults. Using a genome-wide analysis of transcriptional responses to genotoxic stress inducedby cancer therapeutics, we identified a spectrum of secreted proteins derived from the tumor microenvironment that includesthe Wnt family member wingless-type MMTV integration site family member 16B (WNT16B). We determined that WNT16B expression is regulated by nuclear factor of k light polypeptide gene enhancer in B cells 1 (NF-kB) after DNA damage and
subsequently signals in a paracrine manner to activate the canonical Wnt program in tumor cells. The expression of WNT16B in the prostate tumor microenvironment attenuated the effects of cytotoxic chemotherapy in vivo, promoting tumor cell survival and disease progression. These results delineate a mechanism by which genotoxic therapies given in a cyclical manner can enhance subsequent treatment resistance through cell nonautonomous effects that are contributed by the tumor microenvironment.


From what I can see, the Natural news article and the one on another news page, are saying what this study says, but they did manipulate the study by insinuating it covered all cancers, while this study was conducted with prostate patients only..

Bottom line: We have scientific research that says chemo with several specific chemicals caused good cells to secrete proteins that created an environment for prostate cancer to grow. We can only conclude from this so far that these specific toxins did this, and not all chemos, until research is done on all of them. Although it would seem that, that kind of research would have been conducted prior to patient treatment already.

My thoughts.....This is an eye opener into research we typically never hear about, and may be indicative of what many chemos can do to healthy cells, I said MAY.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
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Oh my father had leukemia and no chemo was used. He used Essiac and Concord Grape Juice.


May I ask how long he survived using that treatment ?
Or was he cured ?
edit on 27-1-2013 by Blue_Jay33 because: (no reason given)


He had no leukemia when he passed away two years later from a medical mishap while in the hospital for a possible head injury from a fall. His demise is why I thanked Labrat3162 for his/her candor in a post on page 9 of this thread on how nonchalant and cold many in the health profession can be.
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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 02:45 PM
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Very interesting, I might just start incorporating more of the concord grape juice into my diet as I like it anyway.
Thanks for sharing.

Health Benefits of Concord Grapes
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posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 08:27 PM
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Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by Chai_An
 


Very interesting, I might just start incorporating more of the concord grape juice into my diet as I like it anyway.
Thanks for sharing.

Health Benefits of Concord Grapes
edit on 27-1-2013 by Blue_Jay33 because: (no reason given)


I love it and make a point to have plenty of pure Concord grape juice in the house.



posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 04:44 AM
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Why did you not post something from the actual study?


Because, as I said... It's difficult to read and understand for us Layman's.

I don't see what the problem is here.

I linked to the article.
I linked to a summation by one of the authors of the article.

It's a hell of a lot more than what the other news sources for this story did.



posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 06:37 AM
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From what I can see, the Natural news article and the one on another news page, are saying what this study says, but they did manipulate the study by insinuating it covered all cancers, while this study was conducted with prostate patients only..

Bottom line: We have scientific research that says chemo with several specific chemicals caused good cells to secrete proteins that created an environment for prostate cancer to grow. We can only conclude from this so far that these specific toxins did this, and not all chemos, until research is done on all of them. Although it would seem that, that kind of research would have been conducted prior to patient treatment already.


 



They took it completely out of context. This study also includes that if an antibody is given to the patient it can counteract the negative effects of the protein in question. Making this study something that will make this chemo (and possibly others?) more effective.

Natural News acts as though it's a death blow to chemo.



posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 10:12 AM
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There have apparently been some successful cancer cures with alternatives to Chemo.

Since these alternative treatments cost very little to create and administer they are not researched,developed or fully backed by the gov or the big pharmaceutical company's. simply put because they will lose money,

some alternative treatments have shown promise but they will cause a loss in profit and there is currently no one willing to spend the millions it takes to get it out there since there is no return.

some cures i have no doubt are being suppressed to keep the big business of chemo thriving, it sounds horrible but i do believe this is the case



posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 11:13 AM
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Of course the cure is being withheld, cannabis is too powerful to release to peons.



posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by SunnyDee


From what I can see, the Natural news article and the one on another news page, are saying what this study says, but they did manipulate the study by insinuating it covered all cancers, while this study was conducted with prostate patients only..

Bottom line: We have scientific research that says chemo with several specific chemicals caused good cells to secrete proteins that created an environment for prostate cancer to grow. We can only conclude from this so far that these specific toxins did this, and not all chemos, until research is done on all of them. Although it would seem that, that kind of research would have been conducted prior to patient treatment already.


 



They took it completely out of context. This study also includes that if an antibody is given to the patient it can counteract the negative effects of the protein in question. Making this study something that will make this chemo (and possibly others?) more effective.

Natural News acts as though it's a death blow to chemo.


Natural News does exagerate stories, but now us laymen know something we didn't know before. We certainly are still missing a lot of information, but we can conclude that If this research was not realized previously by the drug companies that made these 2 chemos, then it seems they are probably not administering the antibody.

Now how about all the other chemos out there?

You've got to wonder....when these 2 chemos were being tested on prostate cancer cells in it's testing phase, they did not notice that tumors grew. Wouldn't that be a main conponent of the test?

It's companies like Natural News that at least are getting the attention to things out there. It would seem that creating catchy headlines might be the only way us laymen, on a large scale, will read up on these things.

I admit it's argueable, but it seems that sensational headlines get read over dull ones.



posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by WTFRLY
Of course the cure is being withheld, cannabis is too powerful to release to peons.


You can get it medically in a few states now, the stuff is still not curing cancer.






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