Originally posted by alkali
Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by alkali
so let me get this straight ... using your numbers, 94,000 (potentially) infant/youth deaths directly resulting from vaccines is acceptable
Absolutely not. That's the number stated by beckybecky in this post if
you multiply the number of infant deaths reported to VAERS by 50. I don't think the number of infant deaths is anywhere remotely close to 94,000.
As I said in my previous posts, I do admit that under reporting is likely (virtually certain), but the extent of under reporting is unknown. To say
only 1 or 2 percent of adverse events (which includes everything from soreness to death) are reported to VAERS is entirely speculative and does
nothing to pinpoint the rate of under reporting of each specific adverse event. Furthermore, the data that is reported to VAERS is inaccurate to begin
with by their own admission. Making bold assumptions based off of speculation and poor quality data is irresponsible, absurd, and entirely
More simply, just because adverse events are under reported does not mean that deaths are under reported by an equal ratio.
Bur are ALL deaths reported to VAERS.
I understand "An analysis by Wald & Shojan  found that only 1.5% of all adverse events result in an incident report, and only 6% of adverse
drug events are identified properly....The Psychiatric Times noted that the AMA is strongly opposed to mandatory reporting of medical errors...Dr Jay
Cohen, who has extensively researched adverse drug reactions (ADR), commented that because only 5% of ADRs are being reported, there are in reality, 5
million medications reactions each year." Death by Medicine----Carolyn Dean, MD, ND, Martin Feldman, MD, Gary Null, PhD, Debora Rasio, MD
only 5% are reported.
""In New Zealand, after the Menomune A, they were forced to set up hotlines, and then when they compared parent reporting, with reactions that the
parents said that the doctors had been asked to report, that doctors only reported .9%."--Hilary Butler
And straight from the horse mouth.
"Former FDA Commissioner David Kessler estimated in a 1993 article in the Journal of the American Medical Association that fewer than 1 percent of
all doctors report injuries and deaths following the administration of prescription drugs. This estimate may be even lower for vaccines. In one survey
that our organization conducted in New York in 1994, only 1 doctor in 40 reported to VAERS."--Barbara Loe Fisher.
so there you have it VAERS is voluntary not mandatory and your assertion is wrong.
"VAERS reported "11 developed intussusception within 1 week of receiving RRV-TV" out of 1.8 million doses administered, which is a rate of about
0.6 out of 100,000. Kaiser Permanente studied the rate for its patients and found that "Among children who had received RRV-TV during the previous
week, the rate was 314 per 100,000 infant-years." Minnesota did a study in its state and found that "the observed rate of intussusception within 1
week of receipt of RRV-TV was 292 per 100,000 infant-years." Hence the actual rate of this adverse effect from the rotavirus vaccine was about
300/0.6 = 500 times the rate reported through VAERS! From the CDC at www.immunize.org...
"VAERS currently receives
approximately 800-1000 reports each month." Based on the above data, the actual adverse effects following vaccines could easily be 500 times the
reported effects, or 500,000 per month (Source: AVN mailing list).
there you have it.nail in your argument.