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posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 06:02 PM
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The Iraqi army we fought was the same army that fought Iran in the Iran/Iraq war, where they fought to a virtual standstill for 8 years.


There army is in par with that of Iraq which the United States convincingly wiped out. Iran is no so much threating a blockade as it is threating to mine the Straits of Hormuz and as well is the matter of Iran developing a nuclear weapon (which
is has not yet.).

Next Target= Iran, very likely if they develop nuclear weapons and because of the threats they have made, related to mining the straits in question It is very possible that there bravado is the result of them having already securing nuclear material from other countries. The problem with this is if they use such weapons they would be involving that country in the conflict. You see such a determination can be made by evaluating the fallout as a result of analysis.

One other rather relevant matter is the history of how India developed nuclear weapons. That is to say no one new until they actually had them. You see the idea of flaunting the fact one is developing nuclear weapons in and of itself really dumb, unless one has about 500 of them.

Any thoughts?

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posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 06:09 PM
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Isn't there a quote somewhere where it says that: Generals plan the next war with the knowledge of the past war? Not so sure the Iranian military of today is the same as the one of the Iran/Iraq war. Just my thoughts.



posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by Guenter
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Isn't there a quote somewhere where it says that: Generals plan the next war with the knowledge of the past war? Not so sure the Iranian military of today is the same as the one of the Iran/Iraq war. Just my thoughts.


Well sure, but the United States is in a condition where it can always declassify military technology, which is well advanced to anything Iran could imagine as possible yet. As mentioned in another thread, without the use of nuclear weapons we can EMP all there military forces and it is likely we did the same thing in Iraq. None of there weapons would work with exception of anything that needs electricity (This meaning tanks, jets, radar, missile systems, drones and so on...)

And we also have two killoton bombs that are conventional....



A question being how many of them could a modifed C5 Galaxy aircraft can carry

Essentially we would leave them with riffles, guns and grenade launchers.

Any thoughts?

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posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 06:52 PM
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Well since the Iranians are not the Afghan "cavemen" and a bit more technologically advanced and educated. Also with quite a large number of them living overseas. I would see a nice assymetrical war evolving within the USA or their places of influence. Just an idea ...



posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 06:59 PM
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USA military machine is somehow wise. it does not involve in a full scale long war. such wars in a foreign land is very dangerous and with no outcome.
if USA wanted to involve in a full scale long war with Iran directly it would have involved in it 30 years ago.
USA first ruins the capabilities of it's targets internally and worldwide then if it thinks there is a need for a military conflict then it involves in a war.
the Iraq army which USA confronted in Iraq was never the same as the Persian Gulf Cooperation Council's army against Iran !
USA had defeated Saddam before shooting any bullets towards Iraq.
I can not believe that USA did not know anything about Nuclear program of India, it is odd !



posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 07:16 PM
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No it is not, all one has to do is condcut test underground, if you make a facility deep enough, its use could easilly be dismised as the reuslt of minor siezmic activity.

Guenter....
"Well since the Iranians are not the Afghan "cavemen" and a bit more technologically advanced and educated. Also with quite a large number of them living overseas. I would see a nice assymetrical war evolving within the USA or their places of influence. Just an idea ..".

Those same conclusions were formed in relation to engaging in a conflict with Iraq . In relation no real issue resulted from, "Iraqi Sleeper Cells". In an all out conventional war between the United States and Iran? Keep in mind that the US has the potential, with a draft to create an army of 120 million soldiers, while Iran has population of about 80 million.


CIA Factbook



posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 07:24 PM
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Would you please explain me how you draft 120 million "spldiers" out of a population of 300 million? The best analysis is Switzerland that has with its total war effort the ability of drafting 18% of its entire population. The USA had at the mosr drafted 4% during the height of WW2. Your 130 Million is a draft of 40% of the entire population?



posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by Guenter
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Would you please explain me how you draft 120 million "spldiers" out of a population of 300 million? The best analysis is Switzerland that has with its total war effort the ability of drafting 18% of its entire population. The USA had at the mosr drafted 4% during the height of WW2. Your 130 Million is a draft of 40% of the entire population?



Sure, just read the CIA Factbook page I provided as a link in my last response...



18 years of age (17 years of age with parental consent) for male and female voluntary service; maximum enlistment age 42 (Army), 27 (Air Force), 34 (Navy), 28 (Marines); service obligation 8 years, including 2-5 years active duty (Army), 2 years active (Navy), 4 years active (Air Force, Marines) (2010)
Manpower available for military service:
males age 16-49: 73,270,043
females age 16-49:71,941,969 (2010 est.)
Manpower fit for military service:
males age 16-49:60,620,143
females age 16-49: 59,401,941 (2010 est.) [/u
Manpower reaching militarily significant age annually:
male: 2,161,727
female:2,055,685 (2010 est.)


Actually today the US population is around 312.8 million.

Any thoughts?
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posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 07:51 PM
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And who will run the country?
When Switzerland boosts the highest % of serviceable people in the world they took into consideration of what actually go to the front or maintain the military. So you have lil kids running the harvesters and the trains and trucks together with the retired folks?
My OP was about what flops CNN makes, not about who got the bigger daddy. But it is essential for victory to neve runderestimate the opponent. And if you can EMP the Iranians who says they can't do that to your infrastructure? There is always one guy that brings empires down.



posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 08:04 PM
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Originally posted by Guenter
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And who will run the country?
When Switzerland boosts the highest % of serviceable people in the world they took into consideration of what actually go to the front or maintain the military. So you have lil kids running the harvesters and the trains and trucks together with the retired folks?
My OP was about what flops CNN makes, not about who got the bigger daddy. But it is essential for victory to neve runderestimate the opponent. And if you can EMP the Iranians who says they can't do that to your infrastructure? There is always one guy that brings empires down.



120 million healthy an able people fit for war need to be sent to Iran to defeat 80 million citizens.


Iran...


19 years of age for compulsory military service; 16 years of age for volunteers; 17 years of age for Law Enforcement Forces; 15 years of age for Basij Forces (Popular Mobilization Army); conscript military service obligation - 18 months; women exempt from military service (2008)
Manpower available for military service:
males age 16-49: 23,619,215
females age 16-49: 22,628,341 (2010 est.)
Manpower fit for military service:
males age 16-49: 20,149,222
females age 16-49: 19,417,275 (2010 est.)
Manpower reaching militarily significant age annually:
male: 715,111
female: 677,372 (2010 est.)


About 40 or 50 million should with all our weapons should make a war last about a week Though honestly, with our current forces? A few weeks more than it took in Iraq, the results would pretty much be the same.

Any thoughts?
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posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 08:08 PM
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Yes. You seem to move off from the OP. And want to make it sound again a "we are the best ..." thread. Stick to the OP please.



posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by Guenter
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Yes. You seem to move off from the OP. And want to make it sound again a "we are the best ..." thread. Stick to the OP please.


You misunderstand, Iran has no real viable way to take on the United States in relation to a conventional war. In relation to a Nuclear war where Iran precipitated the situation? It can be turned into a parking lot in the time it would take you to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. The "they started it policy" would apply and Russia or China would not get involved. Furthermore if an Iranian bomb were to be detonated in US territory it would take about 12 hours to determine in fact it came from them and again Iran would become a parking lot, again, China and Russia would not get involved



Just flicked throught the channels this morning and got stuck a bit on CNN when the comentator was talking about Women in combat. One expert began wondering if it is wise.
Loosely quoted: "The next thater of engagement is Iran and we know how brutal Iran treats it female prisoners. With constant rape ...etc.."
This reminds me of a small "goof" few days after 9-11 when the same CNN was talking about attacking the Taliban in Afghanistan. While they explained the "difficult terrain" they showed for a good 30+ seconds the map of Iraq.
I almost use CNN as some kind of "Oracle". Their little "goofs", "Freudian slips" and so forth usually become pretty bloody reality a few month or years later. it's mostly outside guest comentators who have the habbit of making such comments that then become reality. However often so minute that they almost drown out int he flood of other comments and statements



The ability of Iranian soldiers to harm American soldiers be they women or men is about as relevant as what happened in the Iraq/ US war. Do you have any idea as to how many 2 kiloton bombs a C5 Galaxy can carry???

How about 20 such planes and in addition to the rest of our bombing ability....


Any thoughts?
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posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 08:38 PM
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All you doing is stating again how mighty you are. It has nothing to do with my OP. So consider yourself ignored.



posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by Guenter
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All you doing is stating again how mighty you are. It has nothing to do with my OP. So consider yourself ignored.


That only is a reflection your ignorance in actually investigating the reality of the situation.



Seriously as of today the US has a group of ICBM's pointed at Iran, just in case....enough to turn it into a parking lot in about 20 minutes.

You must actually beleve the B$ you are offering makes sense.


And if they start it China and Russia would not get invovled.

Any thoughts?
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posted on Jan, 26 2013 @ 02:41 AM
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So what you are basically saying is that, the war with Iran is inevitable and the Us will conquer Iran in the matter of days and your powerful army of 120 million! with a lot of hi tech toys will demolish the whole area with no serious resistance from Iranian Armed forces which are like Iraqi army! when you invaded them!, and Russia,China,Iranian people and the rest of the world also will cheer you up all the way through your glorious victory to liberate the poor Iranians! from a big bad monster of a regime which is ruling them,and game over,peace of cake!....Did I miss anything else?



posted on Jan, 26 2013 @ 10:41 AM
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USA can't do nothing to Iran or they will be war already. USA can try all the dirty tricks in the book but at least they knew the Persians invented chess and USA invented crap.

The same old story why the USA never dared to attack Soviet becos one side plays chess and the other one throws crap.

Their criteria of countries to attack is you have to be small and preferably without any navies or air forces so they can show off their SHOCK and AWE ability, like using the most powerfool navy this farking world ever seen, LOL your guess is correct, against Afghanistan, a landlocked country.

Look at how N. Korea shat at them and what they gonna do ? Nothing, becos N. Korea could kill alot of Americans within their reach. Yeah, North Korea could be turned into a parking lot but do they really cared ?



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by shapur
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So what you are basically saying is that, the war with Iran is inevitable and the Us will conquer Iran in the matter of days and your powerful army of 120 million! with a lot of hi tech toys will demolish the whole area with no serious resistance from Iranian Armed forces which are like Iraqi army! when you invaded them!, and Russia,China,Iranian people and the rest of the world also will cheer you up all the way through your glorious victory to liberate the poor Iranians! from a big bad monster of a regime which is ruling them,and game over,peace of cake!....Did I miss anything else?


Actually I am saying that Iran which fought its last war to a standstill. Fought it against an army we defeated with relative ease in a war that started in 2003. The United States military has been prepared to fight a war against China and Russia and its technology is far superior to anything Iran has today. In so far as China and Russia they have made every diplomatic effort to persuade Iran not to take the route it is taking.

Iran has made clear, if it has nuclear weapons it will launch an attack against Israel. In reality it was the The United States, the Soviet Union and Europe who made that country possible. The situation between China and Israel is also quite friendly for many reasons, some of which, are actually very ancient. In so far as Europe check your history it was France that gave Israel the Bomb.

Do you realize that the entire planet essentially converted to oil based gasoline after WW2. Why do you think they did that??? The Moslem's while they did give up land became really wealthy, there must have been some kind of deal. Prior to that countries mad there own fuel on the form of Ethanol and in fact Germany under Hitler and prior to the war secretly produced an abundance of this fuel in order to start a war.

As far as Monsters well in reality the US is 236 years old we did not start this mess, again perhaps you should review history.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 08:52 PM
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In Russia today, it is acknowledged as statistically appropriate to conclude that, on average every woman in that country has has 8 abortions by the time they reach 40 years of age. Baby girls when born in China are often killed by there parents because of the one child law, they wanted a boy.

Hitler, Stalin and Mao all totaled killed about 100 million of there own citizens because a political agenda's. What about the Vatican and what about the invasion of the Western Hemisphere.

Your in a state of denial in my opinion.



posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by Kashai
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In Russia today, it is acknowledged as statistically appropriate to conclude that, on average every woman in that country has has 8 abortions by the time they reach 40 years of age. Baby girls when born in China are often killed by there parents because of the one child law, they wanted a boy.

Hitler, Stalin and Mao all totaled killed about 100 million of there own citizens because a political agenda's. What about the Vatican and what about the invasion of the Western Hemisphere.

Your in a state of denial in my opinion.




What does the abortion rate of Russia have anything to do with this thread? Furthermore - I want your source of this information, because it's a pretty outrageous claim.



posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 12:12 AM
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Moscow - Women of all ages used to fill gynaecologist Lyubov Yerofeyeva's Soviet state clinic, lined up by the dozen for back-to-back abortions. “It was more common to take sick days for an abortion than for a cold in those days,” she said.

Two decades after the Soviet Union's collapse, wider availability of contraception and a resurgence of religion have reduced the numbers of abortions overall, but termination remains the top method of birth control in Russia.

Its abortion rate - 1.3 million, or 73 per 100 births in 2009 - is the world's highest


www.iol.co.za...

Just do a search on "Russian Abortion rates" it would have saved you the time to respond.





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