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If I could switch back to your last response to me for a minute? I think I understand the importance of "right to choose." One place where I'm concerned about it is that it seems to even be superior to law itself. The law can't seem to logically say "The foetus is not a human" without running into the boyfriend killing the kid problem. Nor can it say "The foetus is a human" without having problems with right to abortion supporters.
This question, "Is the foetus a human or not?" is a major societal question with huge ramifications, yet we say "Meh, it's whatever each woman wants it to be in each situation, and she can change her mind whenever she wants." In my mind, that seems to be an unsatisfactory, and uncomfortable, dodging of the question.
Originally posted by NarrowGate
Originally posted by NarrowGate
reply to post by windword
Empty argument! All reproduction is done for selfish reasons. There is no unselfish reason to have children.
Sure, if you ask a pro-choicer .edit on 26-1-2013 by NarrowGate because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jibeho
IN this particular case the "fetuses" in question were 7 months. My twins were born healthy at 7 1/2 months. They spent about 2 weeks in NICU . How can anyone say that a 7 month fetus is not a person? Ever feel a BABY kick in the womb at 7 months? Ever see a live action 3D ultrasound of twins at 7 months?
Life begins at conception and continues to grow and develop until birth.
Originally posted by windword
Ultimately, their are two aspects, at least, to the abortion issue, biology and self determination. The question of our day concerns balancing the rights of the woman to choose whether or not she wants to become a mother, and when that should happen, and with whom should she share the experience.
After thousands of years of oppression, women have forced their way into a man's world, and have gained the rights to vote, to own property, to marry who they love, to not be beaten or raped by their husbands, and to serve society in the highest places.
I don't think that anyone would argue that a fetus is not human. Of course it's human, and it's alive. The question lies with viability.
Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp
Originally posted by windword
Ultimately, their are two aspects, at least, to the abortion issue, biology and self determination. The question of our day concerns balancing the rights of the woman to choose whether or not she wants to become a mother, and when that should happen, and with whom should she share the experience.
Choosing whether to become a mother comes BEFORE the ACT that produces that new life growing in her, not after.
After thousands of years of oppression, women have forced their way into a man's world, and have gained the rights to vote, to own property, to marry who they love, to not be beaten or raped by their husbands, and to serve society in the highest places.
Which has nothing to do with the barbarian slaughter of unborn babies in the womb.
I don't think that anyone would argue that a fetus is not human. Of course it's human, and it's alive. The question lies with viability.
You can take a 6 month old, or one year old, leave it all by itself in the woods, without protection and nurture and it will not be "viable" either.
Viability has nothing to do with the scientific fact that growing baby in a mother's womb is a living, human being.
The only difference between that baby in the womb and a 10 year old is time, water and nutrients.
Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp
Originally posted by jibeho
IN this particular case the "fetuses" in question were 7 months. My twins were born healthy at 7 1/2 months. They spent about 2 weeks in NICU . How can anyone say that a 7 month fetus is not a person? Ever feel a BABY kick in the womb at 7 months? Ever see a live action 3D ultrasound of twins at 7 months?
Life begins at conception and continues to grow and develop until birth.
Have you ever seen this about the practice of late term abortion in which the baby is delivered live and then let to die:
www.youtube.com...
Originally posted by windword
Hopefully soon, science will find a way to continue to grant woman rights to decide if and when to have a child, and not have to kill the unwanted zygotes and fetuses.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Originally posted by windword
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Did you know that instructions on how to break fetal bones and cause a late term abortion is in the Talmud? Yes, even the ancients believed that the life of the mother was more important than that of the fetus threatening it.
Originally posted by windword
I think you mean "unrealized" babies. A zygote nor a fetus are babies yet.
Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp
Originally posted by windword
www.youtube.com...
Did you know that instructions on how to break fetal bones and cause a late term abortion is in the Talmud? Yes, even the ancients believed that the life of the mother was more important than that of the fetus threatening it.
Non sequitur.
We are not talking about abortions to save the life of the mother, now are we.
So, your comment is irrelevant.
edit on 28-1-2013 by JuniorBeauchamp because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by windword
A woman who becomes pregnant due to a birth control failure, made her choice NOT to become a mother.
She has every right to terminate that pregnancy.
Originally posted by windword
Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp
Originally posted by windword
www.youtube.com...
Did you know that instructions on how to break fetal bones and cause a late term abortion is in the Talmud? Yes, even the ancients believed that the life of the mother was more important than that of the fetus threatening it.
Non sequitur.
We are not talking about abortions to save the life of the mother, now are we.
So, your comment is irrelevant.
edit on 28-1-2013 by JuniorBeauchamp because: (no reason given)
I know of no other legal reason to perform late term abortion, in the US, other than to save the life of the mother,. Please site other legal reasons.
Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp
Originally posted by windword
I think you mean "unrealized" babies. A zygote nor a fetus are babies yet.
No, they are human beings, growing, developing human beings just as a one year old is.
The only difference between that baby human being in the womb and you is time, water and nurients.
Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp
Originally posted by windword
Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp
Originally posted by windword
www.youtube.com...
Did you know that instructions on how to break fetal bones and cause a late term abortion is in the Talmud? Yes, even the ancients believed that the life of the mother was more important than that of the fetus threatening it.
Non sequitur.
We are not talking about abortions to save the life of the mother, now are we.
So, your comment is irrelevant.
edit on 28-1-2013 by JuniorBeauchamp because: (no reason given)
I know of no other legal reason to perform late term abortion, in the US, other than to save the life of the mother,. Please site other legal reasons.
LOL.
I already have. Plainly.edit on 28-1-2013 by JuniorBeauchamp because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by windword
Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp
Originally posted by windword
I think you mean "unrealized" babies. A zygote nor a fetus are babies yet.
No, they are human beings, growing, developing human beings just as a one year old is.
The only difference between that baby human being in the womb and you is time, water and nurients.
No they are not.
Originally posted by windword
Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp
Originally posted by windword
Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp
Originally posted by windword
www.youtube.com...
Did you know that instructions on how to break fetal bones and cause a late term abortion is in the Talmud? Yes, even the ancients believed that the life of the mother was more important than that of the fetus threatening it.
Non sequitur.
We are not talking about abortions to save the life of the mother, now are we.
So, your comment is irrelevant.
edit on 28-1-2013 by JuniorBeauchamp because: (no reason given)
I know of no other legal reason to perform late term abortion, in the US, other than to save the life of the mother,. Please site other legal reasons.
LOL.
I already have. Plainly.edit on 28-1-2013 by JuniorBeauchamp because: (no reason given)
Please, don't leave me in the dark. Please show me where you have already stated the legal reasons for a late term abortion in the US.
Originally posted by JuniorBeauchamp
Originally posted by windword
A woman who becomes pregnant due to a birth control failure, made her choice NOT to become a mother.
She chose to engage in an act that has consequences.
The problem is, most Americans today are so selfish, self absorbed, self centered and spoiled that they want what they think are rights to do anything they want and when making bad choices not having the responsibility to face the consequences.
She has every right to terminate that pregnancy.
She, nor anyone has the right to murder that human being growing inside her womb.
It's amazing that most Americans do not grasp that very simple biological FACT.
But abortion is not about FACTS.
It is about selfish, self centered, self absorbed, spoiled people wanting to escape the responsibility for their bad choices.