Originally posted by zeeon
reply to post by iwilliam
We do have an army that can whoop our Military. It's called 300 million gun owning American's and our militias.
Lest ye forget - our Military is a VOLUNTEER force. Every time we won an actual major war (and one we lost, vietnam) we had to institute a draft.
Now imagine a volunteer military fighting a ground occupation against 300 million people....
Yeah - no. Sorry not gonna happen, never will happen until such a time where our Military is about a 100 million deep (and maybe not even
edit on 25-1-2013 by zeeon because: (no reason given)
You have a reasonable point about the numbers-- assuming
the actual numbers are the high. (One can hope.) However, I don't think you're
looking at the big picture.
Those 300, or 30, or 3 million people... whatever the number is... and let's assume there are not only sufficient arms, but also sufficient
ammunition for all of them (and with all the stuff I've been reading lately about ammo shortages, I have to wonder if that is really the case)....
they will have many weapons. Hopefully many rifles, maybe some shotguns, and a whole mess of handguns. Let's even assume, for sake of our
hypothetical scenario that some of these weapons can be converted to full auto.
On the other side we have the US armed forces. It is a smaller army, and maybe even some soldiers would be unwilling to participate on that side of
the hypothetical war. However, pressure from threat of authority can be a very powerful thing. Some people are bound to look at the situation, look at
the odds, and decide they are better off... safer, on that side. Self preservation is also a very powerful motivator. Although that army would no
doubt be smaller, they will also have far, far more
They will have fully automatic weapons
and no shortage of ammunition
. But even better they will not only have bullet-proof vests, but
they will have have large munitions, and rocket launchers, and explosives, and tanks..... and let's not stop there (because you know they won't)
they will have fighter jets and they will have bombers, and helicopters... they will have an entire Air Force (not to mention a navy for
what that might be worth in such a conflict) and they will of course have Chemical, Biological and NUCLEAR weapons.
Would they be reluctant to use NBC weapons on their own citizens, or in their own country? Maybe they would hesitate. Then again, as I said... self
preservation can be a powerful motivator. Some of these people would fight to stay just in power... but if a true war were to arise, I'm pretty sure
they would believe it to be a life or death situation. And when one is fully out for self-- more so than their fellow man, country, etc... unleashing
a biological agent, or using a nuke on an opposing army
no matter who it was composed of, is probably a "valid" option for you.
Even if you believe that they
believe the risk of a nuke or bio-agent is too strong, the right chemical agent could be employed with far less
risk of contaminating the victors. The right chemical agent could take out a large city
and then be cleaned up with teams, using other
chemicals. In such a case the clean-up would take weeks, maybe months, even with teams... but the fight could be over very
In the right circumstances, hundreds of years ago, a smaller number of white men with black powder guns and horses could defeat a much greater army of
natives, with lesser technology. This situation analogizes that, except the discrepancy in technological capability is far greater, IMO.