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Originally posted by BASSPLYR
And if you want to call it positive reinforcement to play video games. I say it's hardly enough.
Although I'm not a fan of the show Penn and Tellers: Bull@^!!! there was an episode on just this matter. They got some kid who play violent video games all day. Call of Duty, Modern Warfare, Halo. You name it. This little boy was the king of online first person shooters. So they invite him down to the local gun range to shoot an actual AR15 since he runs around with one for hours every day, shooting people, every day -ONLINE. Their the same right. He'll be a pro.
The 10 year old held the rifle. Pulled the trigger... ... and instantly started crying hysterically. Turned out real violence is NOTHING like mock fake violence in video games or movies. The games did nothing to prepare him for actual violence whether committing it or defending against it.
Originally posted by BASSPLYR
reply to post by Blarneystoner
I gotta disagree with video games and their violence being extremely realistic.
There is nothing realistic about video game or movie violence to the actual experience. No fidelity what so ever. They are two totally different experiences and it's pure naivete to think that the blood and guts of games like mortal combat and call of duty are even similar to the real thing. Not emotionally, not physically and not psychologically. You could say that real world violence is a whole other game.
Originally posted by BASSPLYR
4. YES, IF you HAVE BEEN playing extensive amounts of games which are extremely violent etc, THEN YOUR BRAIN WILL HAVE CHANGED TOWARD greater desensitization regarding violence; greater propensity toward violence as a solution to problems etc. etc. etc.
That ones my personal favorite right there. In short. No. Dude. It doesn't work like that. Take some guy who's the king of Street Fighter, Tekken, Mortal Combat (these are all video games that focus on hand to hand combat and are fairly violent)
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Originally posted by BASSPLYR
You haven't been able to cite evidence where there actually were study's done on the brain while a person is either committing or experiencing real life violence.
All you have been able to do is basically agree with me that parts of the brain that probably/are excited during real life violent encounters are also excited to a tinsy fraction by individuals witnessing mock violence or engaging in mock violence.
That and going on and on about how a fraction of the population has a certain disorder, a fraction of those with the disorder are effected by it strongly enough for it to cause them to have a lower threshold for stimuli. A small fraction of that group are biased to be more susceptible to violence, of that even smaller fraction of the fraction of the people diagnosed with this disorder are possibly able to just completely snap when they get stimulated enough, and that violent video games where you mock violent actions will basically make that fraction of a group even more vulnerable to acting out violently since the games are agitating their amygdala too much.. After all their neurological tracks are already greased in every way for violence. You make it seem like every body diagnosed with the condition are all a part of that tiny sub group. they are not.
And that somehow by everybody entrained to be psychotic killers by said brainwashing and conditioning games the secret people in charge are going to use this all to their advantage.
Originally posted by BASSPLYR
The conditioning from the video games is not like . . . It's just not enough to send any one over the edge.
And you know that you admit to it in your posts. You keep saying it's just a factor. I agree with you it's just a factor and a very tiny one and no where near enough to complete the picture and finish the recipe needed to commit violence.
To change my analogy up a bit since you didn't seem to get it. It's more like saying that you are going to make pancakes because you have some of the ingredients but you don't know really what all the ingredients are cause you've never made pancakes before and don't have the recipe, but hot damn you sure do have a whole lot of flour. SO therefor you will be making a lot of pancakes right?
I am saying that those stimulations are only but a small part of a whole spectrum of brain activity and stimulation that manifests in a real life violent encounter.
Scientists cant prove and don't know what else is going on adding to the recipe that equals uncontrolled or psychotic outbursts of violence. since they have not actually studied directly but only in supposition what is happening in a violent individuals brain when they are actually in the process of committing violence.
We really don't know what causes psychotic behavior if we did there be a whole lot more cured psychotics out there.
Sure conditioning the brain by repeating violent behavior over and over again until its an automatic response to a certain stimuli helps. But there is still a whole lot more going on. But as you've said "it's a complex issue and that you know violent video games are just a factor among others." I say you are grossly over estimating the quantitative value violent games factor in to the equation of psychotic violence. You wording and dialog implies you are basically assuming that video games are the greatest factor in the equation but you know thats not true. And worse the rant is really over something that could only possibly apply to a very small subset of the population.
As for the conditioning of nerve bundles making it easier for someone to get agitated. I say it takes more than just the mild conditioning and workout to the "violence" centers of the brain to make some one a hair trigger emotionally. You are looking at the smallest factor in the equation and assuming it has more overall value than it does.
Originally posted by BASSPLYR
So I'm done. but in parting i will say that in real life conditioning ones self to violence is not done via video games because the process and experience are so extremely different. for you to think they are even similar because some parts of the brain are stimulated in both cases . . .
. . . for you to think they are even similar because some parts of the brain are stimulated in both cases (by major differences of stimulation btw, don't pretend that hormone and stimulation levels are even close) is naive.
Originally posted by ownbestenemy
Originally posted by Blarneystoner
...and why not restrict the sale to minors? Porn is regulated in a way that it cannot be sold to minors. Movie ratings systems take into account the amount violence, nudity, sexual content and language.
States do so at the whim of their citizens as so is their Right to do under the 10th Amendment -- they can choose not to if they so wish. Show me the law that restricts movie theaters from allowing a minor to enter a "R" rated movie....