LROC Images of the Apollo 20 Hoax

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posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 10:39 PM
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There are many threads on here discussing what has become known as the Apollo 20 Hoax. Some threads dating back to 2007.

The subject has a bit of a special meaning for me, as the Apollo 20 YouTube videos is what eventually brought me here to ATS for the first time. A Facebook friend quite a long time ago, posted a video link to it, and I watched it.

Those of you that know me on here, will know that I sat there scratching my head and thinking "Say what?"

The video itself looked very wrong to me as the Apollo 15 images are zoomed in and then start to morph into what is suppose to be a very large, very old (millions of years), crashed alien space ship on the far side of the moon.
Wanting to know more about this, I Googled the subject and one of the links was to here......where I lurked for quite a while before joining.

For those of you that might not be familiar with the subject, here is the video (and I'll give a summary too for those that can't watch it):



Videos on YouTube of a supposed Apollo 20 mission to the moon surfaced back in 2007. This video that I embeded starts off showing part of a Apollo 15 image, specifically AS15-P-9625 and starts to zoom in. As it zooms in, you begin to see what is suppose to be more detail. Until at one point we get to what is suppose to be much clearer and closer pictures of an ancient alien space craft from what is suppose to be an Apollo 20 mission.

Here is a screen shot of what you see at the beginning of the video:



The area that is zoomed in on is to the left of the above image at what looks like a oblong object that is tapered on the ends.

Eventually the video morphs and it is suppose to be this object in this screen shot:



Basically the story goes is that the Apollo 15 picture spawned a joint USA / Soviet venture to return to the moon, land near this object and explore it. What was suppose to be the Apollo 19 mission was scrubbed due to a malfunction in the burn to exit Earth orbit, and the astronauts had to return to Earth.
Apollo 20, according to the story and videos, William Rutledge and former Soviet cosmonaut Aleksei Leonov, the first human being to walk in space, along with woman named Leona Snyder.
Supposedly, they landed successfully on the far side of the moon, gained access to this alien craft and actually found a alien body which they brought back.

Over the years, many amateurs have debunked most of this story.

One of the things I wanted to do was see high resolution photos from the LROC of this area to see what it shows. Sadly, for a long time, the LROC had not scanned the area.

That's changed! They've now scanned the area and you can look at it yourself using the Arizona State University's web site at this link:

LROC Quick Maps

The coordinates for where this alien ship is suppose to be is as follows:

Latitude: -18.69
Longitude: 117.67

So let us take a look at what the LROC scanned.

Here is a screen shot starting out high above, a lot like the Apollo 15 image:



You can see what looks like a tapered object to the left. Keep in mind that the angle of the light at the time an image is taken will change how things look. You will see that more clearly in the next images that are from the LROC scans, with the sun in a different position.

Let's start zooming in:



As you can see, the "object" no longer even looks like an object. In fact, you are most likely have a hard time finding it. I'll help you here (I didn't want to muddy the picture with brightly colored arrows). The "object" is dead center of this image, and you can make out what looks like a dark < pointing to the left of the image.

Let us zoom in further, with the "object" being kept dead center:



And again, only this time I'm going to focus on what the video was showing once they were "zoomed" in and what was suppose to be a pointy end of a alien ship:



And really close, now, at only a few meters per pixel:



As you can see, there is no "object". There is no Ancient Alien Crashed Space craft. I even looked around the area for a possible Apollo 20 landing site with tracks to and from the area and found none at all.

For those of you that might be having a problem seeing it, I'll go ahead now and highlight the terrain that looks like an object in the older zoomed out photos:



Is this conclusive?

We to me it is. But let us face it. This is ATS! There will be many on here that will still claim that NASA is covering it up (never mind that NASA does not process these images, but the Arizona State University does), or that NASA is making ASU cover it up. That the LROC images are the ones that are fake (wow.....they did a good job in my opinion if that is true).

All I can do is shrug at that.

However, being able to see this area through the LROC has been something that I've wanted to do for a very long time now, ever since I first saw that video of "Apollo 20". Now that I have, I wanted to share it with everyone else here on ATS.

I hope you've enjoyed the images, and if it brings up this old story again, then so be it.

edit on 23-1-2013 by eriktheawful because: (no reason given)
edit on 23-1-2013 by eriktheawful because: (no reason given)




posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 10:48 PM
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me thinks someone has taken it somewhere else!

Good work it makes sense to me.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by dc4lifeskater
me thinks someone has taken it somewhere else!

Good work it makes sense to me.


Heheheheheehe! Good one!

I was actually think that people might say that it was there.....but now it's gone.....and what we are seeing now is a depression of where it was!

love these discussions (but now I've got to carry my old rear end to bed).



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 11:02 PM
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can we get the second and 3rd images not zoomed in please, but using the stock you were using before you zoomed in from lroc

files.abovetopsecret.com...

files.abovetopsecret.com...


thanx

i have loved this story ever since i found it. to me the object in question always looked more stone/clay than metal to me , but thats not to say we could not make ships out of rock, but just seems less plausable than making a structure.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 11:04 PM
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Job Well done OP !! It may not be a ship, good point. Seems like the geography is a little elevated, perhaps a plateau? Or if you've seen Hoagland's apartments on Mars, could these be a another structure other than a crashed ship?


How about posting those older ones too
neat pictures.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 11:54 PM
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you should note if you havent, that the object is not left to right but up and down, spent like 30 mins looking for it lol.

it does appear to disapear. could it also mean that there was something there and when they erased it left the imprint of the object?

i dont think so becuse the story always seemed so fantastical to me, but i have always wanted to do this as well so ty ^^

its just amazing that just 1-2 notches up it looks like a structure with shadow and something sticking out, then this , in the very last image before it start to fade out, it even has bright spots on areas where it looks like its reflecting light and something sticking out the front like a mass, and in last image nothing even resembling the shape of thing is very odd.

heres another idea for fun: what if it was there, BUT took off on its own? heh
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posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by ~widowmaker~
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can we get the second and 3rd images not zoomed in please, but using the stock you were using before you zoomed in from lroc

files.abovetopsecret.com...

files.abovetopsecret.com...


thanx

i have loved this story ever since i found it. to me the object in question always looked more stone/clay than metal to me , but thats not to say we could not make ships out of rock, but just seems less plausable than making a structure.


Here you go, those 2 images uncropped. Also I had turned my OP images clockwise 90 degrees to match the orientation of both the video and Apollo 15's photo:






posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 06:23 AM
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Originally posted by ~widowmaker~
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you should note if you havent, that the object is not left to right but up and down, spent like 30 mins looking for it lol.

it does appear to disapear. could it also mean that there was something there and when they erased it left the imprint of the object?

i dont think so becuse the story always seemed so fantastical to me, but i have always wanted to do this as well so ty ^^

its just amazing that just 1-2 notches up it looks like a structure with shadow and something sticking out, then this , in the very last image before it start to fade out, it even has bright spots on areas where it looks like its reflecting light and something sticking out the front like a mass, and in last image nothing even resembling the shape of thing is very odd.

heres another idea for fun: what if it was there, BUT took off on its own? heh
edit on 23-1-2013 by ~widowmaker~ because: ferrets


The zoomed out images come from other sources, like Clementine, different camera, higher altitude and lighting was different at the time images were taken.

On the quick maps site, once you zoom in far enough, you can tell the LROC images as they tend to be the long retangular strips.



posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 06:27 AM
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Nice work, OP.

Here is the zoomable LROC scan of the area: LROC Observation M187470359R
The feature can be found ~2/3rds of the way down the strip, and is aligned vertically.
Resolution is ~86 cm per pixel.



posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 06:36 AM
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Well done I have been waiting for that one as well, the LRO will no doubt make others passes over that area hopefully when the sun is in a similar position to the original pictures so the lighting is the same that should then shoot down any other claims about the object. (I know it wont to some on here
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posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 08:36 AM
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Thanks for this post. I've never even heard of the Apollo 20 hoax before! And this lunar feature looks interesting, even when debunked. Looks like some sort of ridge in what used to be a crater. I wonder what created it.

The hi-res LROC image lacks any shadows (due to high sun angle, I guess), and I'd like to see a LROC image with some shadows giving a better understanding of the topography. On the zoomed-out LROC image, one end of the "spaceship" seems to be sticking out and casting a shadow onto the lunar surface. I'm trying to figure out how natural topography could produce this effect, but I can't.

So, fingers crossed for more LROC images at different sun angles, or even a hi-res topography model of that area.



posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by wildespace
Thanks for this post. I've never even heard of the Apollo 20 hoax before! And this lunar feature looks interesting, even when debunked. Looks like some sort of ridge in what used to be a crater. I wonder what created it.

The hi-res LROC image lacks any shadows (due to high sun angle, I guess), and I'd like to see a LROC image with some shadows giving a better understanding of the topography. On the zoomed-out LROC image, one end of the "spaceship" seems to be sticking out and casting a shadow onto the lunar surface. I'm trying to figure out how natural topography could produce this effect, but I can't.

So, fingers crossed for more LROC images at different sun angles, or even a hi-res topography model of that area.


Yes, I wish the LROC was able to take two sets of images, one birds eye like we see, and then another set that is oblique.
Of course that would be just for us. Radar returns and map specialist have no problems seeing height and depth. But I think it would give the public a better view of features on the moon.

I agree that the "object" is actually a hill of sorts resting in a depression. This would explain the shadowing that we see in pictures like the one from Apollo 15 and Clementine.



posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 09:05 AM
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I have trouble reconciling the shadow where my arrow is pointing. It looks like that end of the "ship" is sticking out of the ground.



An oblique view is not necessary (although would be nice). A top-down view at an oblique sun angle would create shadows that reveal the topography.

P.S. I found an image from LRO's wide-angle camera, showing deep shadows. I've cropped and oriented the image to match the one above.

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posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 09:59 AM
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Wow, check this out! The Apollo 15 image AS15-P-9625 is actually high-resolution, and browsable here: wms.lroc.asu.edu...

Here's a crop, oriented like the images above. The sun is shining from the left. I've sharpened the image.



This image answers my questions


P.S. there's also an image from Apollo 17: wms.lroc.asu.edu...
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posted on Jan, 24 2013 @ 02:55 PM
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Outstanding find!

Thanks for sharing!



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 03:09 PM
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WOW, just found your thread and I must say, GOOD JOB! The first time I saw this video, I knew there was some hokey poky going on with the enhancements. Your OP and the contributions of the other great posters have given a definitive black eye to any claim this is an alien space craft or building.

When there are people who really want to learn the truth and they do the foot work, (sometimes having to just wait for the right technology) we get the real picture of what our Moon is actually like.

A big star and flag from me.

Gib



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 04:02 PM
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I've always taken this story with a block of salt, the video was glaringly faked, and alot of people insisted it was real, and that mona lisa chick? come on, can we say terribly made dummy?
S&F OP



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by Gibborium
reply to post by eriktheawful
 

WOW, just found your thread and I must say, GOOD JOB! The first time I saw this video, I knew there was some hokey poky going on with the enhancements. Your OP and the contributions of the other great posters have given a definitive black eye to any claim this is an alien space craft or building.

When there are people who really want to learn the truth and they do the foot work, (sometimes having to just wait for the right technology) we get the real picture of what our Moon is actually like.

A big star and flag from me.

Gib


I'll be the first to fully admit that if we ever did actually find a million year old crashed alien ship on the moon, I would be facinated as hell over it.

It really fires the imagination, and I think people wanting to believe in it so hard is why hoaxers are able to fool a lot of people.

It may be that we never do find anything on the moon, or Mars, or anywhere inside our solar system. I still think there is something out there in our universe, and really do hope one day we find it.

But it doesn't help to have people that like to pull these pranks.



posted on Jan, 29 2013 @ 06:43 PM
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I just want to congratulate you 'erik' for doing this for us and to all the 'moon landing believers'
for the hard work you have all put in too.I have been watching most of you on and off, you have
done very well to put to bed the majority of the moon hoax theories working tirelessly..

Peace to you all ...

denver22



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posted on Jan, 31 2013 @ 12:31 AM
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yah thanks for doing it, i made that post before i finally found the damn thing lol, it was like needle in hay stack .

^^





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