What follows will be a discussion between myself and Adjensen about the history of humanity. We will be debating a question that is a favorite among
members on ATS:
Did Atlantis exist?
The term "Atlantis" will be defined as an ancient civilization that's advancement rivals or exceeds our current one, predates the ancient
civilizations that are included in the current historical narrative, and has for some reason been lost to the official record.
In this debate, I will seek to persuade the readers that Atlantis did indeed exist. Adjensen will argue in opposition to my position.
I'd like to thank Adjensen for participating in this debate, ATS for hosting, and anyone who chooses to spend time pondering the subject with us.
Before I begin, here are some of the best threads on this subject from ATS:
Atlantis located off the west coast of Ireland
Origins of Atlantis/Lemuria myth Part One
An Incomplete Puzzle
My position is difficult to prove. Absent empirical evidence, I will ask the readers to take a leap of the imagination. In order to accept that the
hypothesis of Atlantis is a good one, we must accept circumstantial evidence and make inferences.
Before refusing to do so, let's take a moment to acknowledge that when studying history we must always accept that we view an incomplete puzzle. Over
time stories get lost and evidence gets buried - sometimes deliberately. The more time that passes, the more erosion there is on the picture we
attempt to view.
In the case of Atlantis, we are attempting to view a picture that has undergone thousands of years of such erosion.
In my opinion, this is one of the great qualities of our lives. Mysteries outnumber facts. The bigger the question, the farther removed the subject,
the more difficult it is to reach an answer.
Consider that in most truly challenging intellectual endeavors, we must take a similar leap of thought as the one it takes to conclude the the
existence of a great lost civilization is a significant possibility.
People have been around for a long time.
The fossils found near Ethiopia's Omo
River are considered to be the
oldest known remains of anatomically modern humans.
The 195,000-year-old date coincides with findings from genetic studies on modern human populations. Such studies can be extrapolated to determine
when the earliest modern humans lived.
To the best of our knowledge, Homo Sapiens
seem to have come into existence around 200,000 years ago in Africa. Prevailing theory holds that,
over time, people migrated out of Africa and populated the globe.
We see that as of 15,000 years ago (at the earliest), humanity was living all over Earth. We know of great civilizations rising in China, India, and
the Middle East thousands of years before the common era.
These last 15,000 years represent less than 10% of the time man has spent on Earth. Why is it that civilization is believed to be such a new phenomena
in the history of man?
There is a major hole in our history. People living 50,000 years ago were pretty much identical to people today, in terms of genetics. We must
acknowledge that an empire having existed in the distant past is a possibility, in terms of the capability of the people living to create society.
They were no less capable than we are now.
With that in mind, let's consider the common links between the empires that formed in more recent history. Great civilizations have existed on all
continents for thousands of years: some of the earliest being in Mesopotamia, India, Mesoamerica, China, Anatolia, and Egypt.
These civilizations that are proposed to have developed independently share many striking characteristics in architecture, philosophy, and
A researcher analyzing the sounds in languages spoken around the world has detected an ancient signal that points to southern Africa as the place
where modern human language originated. The finding fits well with the evidence from fossil skulls and DNA that modern humans originated in Africa. It
also implies, though does not prove, that modern language originated only once, an issue of considerable controversy among linguists.
My argument, in trying to fill in the sparsely completed puzzle of human history, is that there was sophisticated civilization in the human world
before those considered the earliest in the current paradigm.
During the period between 200,000 and 15,000 years ago there was a civilization with wide reach. Due to one of many plausible scenarios, the
civilization at large collapsed but it's lineage lived on and played a significant role in the developing of the various states that rose in the past
There are logical explanations for the lack of evidence. One being that secrecy could be deliberate. Experience may have taught that people are best
administrated from the shadows.
Or, perhaps, a major geologic event destroyed all evidence. Another possibility is war caused destruction.
Like I said, a leap of the imagination is required. I am not only arguing that "Atlantis" existed, but that there was a sophisticated civilization
which passed on the knowledge that our current world is built upon.
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