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posted on Jan, 25 2013 @ 08:55 PM
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Came accross an idea via various occult books that these messages people recieve aren't from aliens but from "hungry ghosts". Sort of undead astral type critters who pretend to be whatever appeals to the "recievers" or channelers ego. Might be angels or saints to the religious. My question would be how would the Op know if he isn't just feeding lower astral type entities with his attention and providing these entities with the food of attention and belief, which they need to exist.

Thought i'd go the medieval psychology route




posted on Jan, 25 2013 @ 08:59 PM
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When and If they actually get in contact with an entity claiming to be an alien from some planet, it is almost certainly a fallen angel aka demon. There are no 'ghosts' as such but there are malevolent spirits in abundance out there looking to deceive people. But alot of these contact stories are simply made up by people looking to make money from there website or book.
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posted on Jan, 25 2013 @ 09:04 PM
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Oh i agree with the mumbo jumbo money thing. I personally believe that channelers and similar ilk who really believe in their "product" are somehow performing an act of depersonalistation upon themselves and basically just talking to another part of themselves without conciously realising it. Imagination is a powerfull thing ! Sort of like self induced hypnosis. Either way it's a fraud in my opinion but to each their own belief.

I throw out the occult perspective every now and then just to get a different take on weird subjects. S'all fun to me. boring night
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posted on Jan, 25 2013 @ 09:25 PM
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Examinate, you ask:

-I would like to know specifically, or even more generally, how the mode of "channel/channeling" differs from that of "transmitting/receiving".

A: I had hoped this would not have come up as it requires something more than I know from this side. I do view channel, T/R or TR, telekinesis, telepathy, psychokinesis, and being psychic, as separate developments. One person may have one of them or several of them, but rarely all of them. Me, I am practiced in the mode called telekinesis only as it was introduced by the Honeidar, and I think the term is misused but it is better than characterizing it as telepathy. The truth is, we have no word for what the Honeidar have learned to do. Channel is a name that covers several different kinds of practice and it is difficult to assign a definition in the light of all that it can be. The usual channel uses the hypothalamus, but T/R uses the hippo campus, and the Honeidarian use the pituitary glands for dissemination of the data to the lower glands for chemical distribution that converts to audible signals. This is why I say there is a difference and that it is like comparing apples and oranges to the receiver but looks almost all the same to the audience. It would take a pretty good size book to list what brain mechanisms and endocrine glands are being used, and then most of it would have to be written by a spiritual guide.

-Additionally, why do you go on to later list telekinesis after T/R, as if were separate, although you've alluded earlier to the notion that the method of mind communication you're using to receive the transmissions is telekinesis. Are they separate, the same, or similar?

A: I think you see by my above comments that they are separate and use different parts of the body tissue of the brain. Psychic individuals can TR and they can use channel, but TR is an entirely different experiment initially placed for availability to provide the spiritual government to provide education on a much different level than channel attempts to reach. There is also something called REFLECTIVITY which I am familiar with, but that requires its own book since there is total clarity and error free transmission using it. The universe, however, has not fully implemented its use to us so far.

-In typing your responses to the specifics of many of the questions here, are you at any time actively receiving transmissions from off-planet, or are you merely conjecturing as you see fit and to the best of your ability? Are you able to send a specific query "down the line" as it were, and then receive an answer back in short order?

A: What is sealed off is the inter galactic connection so I do not involve the Honeidar and Varen and any other species mixing into what is asked here. I do hear an occasional "smile" at some of the comments on the board. They appreciate some of the humor. This board section is "televised" through relfectivity to the various interests throughout the areas of these activities. I am in constant contact with the various agencies that promote intra-species education. They are running a test and conducting an experiment. They make no direct comment until I close the computer down for the day. I write nothing as conjecture unless I actually say so as I did about the different kinds of messaging above. There are at least two kinds of input I am conscious of: 1) in the ear comments; 2) sub-conscious data downloads. In the case of the second, I am not aware of those downloads until someone asks a question that triggers the playback. Sounds strange does it not? I have no idea how they do it.

-Are you aware of the body of work that is known as "The Law of One"? If so, any candor as to how your process is in any way related to this material would be of interest to me and I'm sure others as well.

A: Yes, but I am not familiar with the contents other than to have it described to me. I can not answer your main question here since I do not know it that well.

I'm sure you'll agree that it is important for seekers of truth to use their discretion when investigating and examining knowledge, and to use their own intuition as a primary validator of information that is largely in the realm of mind and/or spirit. To that end, I have more questions, but I will allow you time to answer what I've presented thus far if you so choose.

I thank you greatly, this thread has been a boon to me, and I'm sure to others as well, you're a very kind and talented person, and I have great respect for the way in which you've conducted yourself in this thread, often times in the face of the vitriol and scorn that can, at times, seem prevalent here. Thanks for your time and effort, Namaste!


A: Thank you



posted on Jan, 25 2013 @ 09:30 PM
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Aronolac Is just giving us history?

has he told us about how they SAY they will save us??

you are not making your self very belivable!
even thoe I like a good storie.



posted on Jan, 25 2013 @ 09:48 PM
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You write:
If this is directly to the person, that sounds more telepathic. How can you know that this isn't telepathic, and is instead affecting the inner ear in some physical way? How would you even test such a thing? I am not saying it isn't possible, just that I can't imagine how you could know. If that could be proven, it would indeed make for interesting reading!


A: I did answer much about what you ask as others have asked about authenticity of origin. Several posts back I explain is a little detail what I hear and how I know I have a genuine contact. I'll explain briefly again: When the call comes in, I will make it possible for me to sit down where I can take it. Usually that is the computer keyboard as I am entirely happy with my use and their use of it. I wait, sitting still, until they wish to initiate the audio. I have two reactions immediately. I react to the identity and that identity is through an identity shield. Parts of our brain are wired to know identity as unique because identity in its most basic form is a code. The shield is a reactive code that matches the wired part of my personality circuit. In you and others who read this, the same applies to you. You know your son or daughter, not by them saying who they are, but by a sense of knowing presence who they are. That is the same mechanism I use to identify those who come to speak or provide information for me.

I ask you: How can you prove you know your son or daughter or husband or wife or uncle or aunt or best friend? You would probably say, well I just do, they are known to me. But you could not know them without the personality circuit identification mechanism in your brain at work. Their selfhood signals to your selfhood in the brain who they are and there is no way to explain to the FBI or the missing person's bureau how you know certain people so well. They are encoded in you! It is true you do not know a stranger who approaches you unless he is developed well enough to give you his reference personality code. Some people you feel you know when you never met them before. Such people have this ability, unconsciously, to present their identity before they know you. That's exactly how I know who is making the call and how I can trust what is about to be delivered.

Now, in addition to the identity shield being presented, I am sometimes sent a picture of who is speaking to me. sometimes I hear their real voice and I know that voice. Some of the very powerful spiritual administrators appear in my mind as rich colors. The Melchizedek governor of our planet has a deep purple color accompanying his call. The head of our local universe has a beautiful blue and white fire around his voice and no one can duplicate that one! Some spirit is so high I get no colors, no pictures, just a sense of thought power beyond anything I have ever experienced. These are Master Spirits which provide mind to the different galaxies for distribution in creatures like you and me. And so on.

Telepathy is used between people, not between spirit and creatures, and while I do understand how the term has some application to the present situation, telepathy is far too weak to do what they do to go these distances and provide knowledge.

A



posted on Jan, 25 2013 @ 10:03 PM
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I think this guy is a paid poster. He displays the classic signs of a disinfo specialist with this U.F.O Cult Nonsense. Sad thing is some people will believe this drivel.



posted on Jan, 25 2013 @ 10:11 PM
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Great story OP, but after looking at that Starbridge site (click to see that site) ...
I find it completely unrealistic that you cannot provide much information when there happens to be a lot of information already out there about it?

Google results
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posted on Jan, 25 2013 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
I think this guy is a paid poster. He displays the classic signs of a disinfo specialist with this U.F.O Cult Nonsense. Sad thing is some people will believe this drivel.



I realize that. And I also realize that many others like me, are interested for at least the story.


Uhm, in that case this thread could be moved to collaborative writing?
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posted on Jan, 25 2013 @ 10:59 PM
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All right, I just have to go ahead and say it. I am surprised none of the Christian posters have come on here to say it first. You have a familiar spirit. I have experience with the phenomenon myself. Yeah, it feels familiar, that's the way it works. Think about it, is it more plausible that someone is speaking to you over vast distances and breaking every law of physics or could it be that the simple answer is that someone who is here already in another plane of existence is pretending to be what it knows you want it to be? Think about it.

The other alternative is that you are hoaxing, but I sense from your posts that you truly believe what you say. You see, the way a familiar spirit works is that it insinuates itself in one way or another with a person at a young age. It might be through trauma, or it might be generational. There are many ways. It feels familiar because it has been with you for so long. When you give yourself to ideas or beliefs that are conducive to this familiar spirit's agenda it will manifest itself by empowering you in many ways. You will be deluded by the feeling of power and knowledge until you either realize that you are in error, which will cause you to be attacked, or you will go along feeling as though everything is fine and you will die in your delusion.



posted on Jan, 25 2013 @ 11:01 PM
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Now, in addition to the identity shield being presented, I am sometimes sent a picture of who is speaking to me. sometimes I hear their real voice and I know that voice. Some of the very powerful spiritual administrators appear in my mind as rich colors. The Melchizedek governor of our planet has a deep purple color accompanying his call. The head of our local universe has a beautiful blue and white fire around his voice and no one can duplicate that one! Some spirit is so high I get no colors, no pictures, just a sense of thought power beyond anything I have ever experienced. These are Master Spirits which provide mind to the different galaxies for distribution in creatures like you and me. And so on.

Telepathy is used between people, not between spirit and creatures, and while I do understand how the term has some application to the present situation, telepathy is far too weak to do what they do to go these distances and provide knowledge.


This IS telepathy.

Its not weak. Everyone is different, they have different psi ability really, gifts. There is no time nor is there is there distance.

But I will say this, this solar system is a matrix, there are other schools like this, so maybe you're in contact with another school, but otherwise, for an outside force, more in the real world, contact would be more akin to a higher up coding the matrix at least in my opinion.

I'm a communicator by the way, and have had experiences all my life. Both ET and Guides/Family, what I would call higher dimensional or Angel-ET.

Now the way it works for me, with energy recognition, so that I can pick up the energy signature of the contactor, ie. recognize them, and signatures of areas, like waves, and reaching in. I would be in contact with full image of the person, as if they portalled in. In fact this would sometimes be that and they would half materialize and I could get a physical checkup.

For the strictly telepathic contact, they were near. Full image, interactive module where even days later I could remember it and then see more, see the room widen and the module and control room, for example.

In other words this is where there is a touch of the borderline telekinsis, in that the energy pocket would be interactive and I could play with it for days afterwards if I wanted to and increase the viewing or experience something.

When they spoke to me, it was in a combined way: downloads of information, words (that were mixed into a kind of download format but with a voice timber that my ear couldn't hear but it was akin to an auditory, internal experience).

Alot happened following some of these experiences so knew they were real.

For some time, I shrugged off and avoided the idea of this kind of contact and while I knew it wasn't in my head, still treated it like it was. On those occasions nearly 100% of the time I would go outside, get a telepathic greeting and a craft would show up with my son joining me to witness the craft.

It finally sunk in it was for real and the sightings slowed down to almost non existence because I don't need them in that way, though they have still occurred, but i gather in safer way for the ETs invovled.

But guess what, this is Telepathy.

Now a friend just corrected my post and he said, telekensis is a lower form of telepathy where you connect and link your energy with the objects energy and have communication feed between you and object.

But telepathy is a higher level of this. But they have a relationship.

But what you're describing is similar to my way, and its a higher level form of telepathy with a link to the lower level form of telekinsis.
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posted on Jan, 25 2013 @ 11:29 PM
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That isn't an answer. I didn't ask how you could identify some individual, but how you could know the precise method of contact. You offered a lot of non-evidential opinion on how people identify one another, and claimed that this means you can identify some entity you never met (which isn't even logical), and you totally avoided the question i actually asked.

I will have to assume that you have no real answers, and are simply offering either opinions that you cannot support, or false information. I am inclined to believe the entire post is fraudulent.

Some thing we just know? Well, I know deception when I see it.



posted on Jan, 25 2013 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
I think this guy is a paid poster. He displays the classic signs of a disinfo specialist with this U.F.O Cult Nonsense. Sad thing is some people will believe this drivel.


Paid, or something. Not sure which I think, at this point, but definitely not honest. Sad thing, indeed! Some will believe it till they come to a very rude awakening to the real truth.

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Well, I was thinking something along those lines, but wanted to get a feel for whether this was a flat out hoax, or something of that sort. Thinking you are probably right, though, after reading the responses I received.
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posted on Jan, 26 2013 @ 12:25 AM
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This was posted by someone with a child's mind.



posted on Jan, 26 2013 @ 01:05 AM
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to everyone who has shaken a finger at this guy and accused him of many things , shame on you ! he has been very honest and detailed in his reply's , i do not believe for one second that he is misleading any of us and i can prove it ! and so can you ! if you would take just take time and do a history check since 2005 he has suck with the same story and has tried to get his word out , and in every thread people nay say ! and point fingers and accuse him ! you have every right to question , but before you post such negative reply's you should at the very lest take the time to RESEARCH HIS HISTORY AND POSTS , and draw an intelligent reply one that he would be more then willing to answer for you !

I have been in contact with op through e-mails and i can tell you this , he is a very warm caring person , i sens nothing but a humble loving heart from Ron , and i do believe with all my heart he truly is trying to enlighten us with this knowledge that he has , i can assure you that his intentions are indeed pure , take the time and see for your self

Ron thank you so very much with all of my heart thank you ... and i am so so very sorry about the negativity you have to deal with here , i understand that you have been fighting this since 2005 , but hold fast my good man ,and stand strong , people will hear your heart

Humbly

LSH



posted on Jan, 26 2013 @ 01:11 AM
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But ultimately, he can't prove a thing. We have to take it on faith that someone in their head, basically, had conversations with aliens. And I can't buy it at all. What is really telling is how the story unfolds in a way that makes it dramatic. A human race! (gasp) - let's get the empathy going. A doomed planet being sucked into a sun. Yea.. this isn't staged for drama at all.

I believe in alien visitation. I don't believe in this mumbo-jumbo.



posted on Jan, 26 2013 @ 06:23 AM
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Originally posted by LightningStrikesHere
to everyone who has shaken a finger at this guy and accused him of many things , shame on you ! he has been very honest and detailed in his reply's , i do not believe for one second that he is misleading any of us and i can prove it ! and so can you ! if you would take just take time and do a history check since 2005 he has suck with the same story and has tried to get his word out , and in every thread people nay say ! and point fingers and accuse him ! you have every right to question , but before you post such negative reply's you should at the very lest take the time to RESEARCH HIS HISTORY AND POSTS , and draw an intelligent reply one that he would be more then willing to answer for you !

I have been in contact with op through e-mails and i can tell you this , he is a very warm caring person , i sens nothing but a humble loving heart from Ron , and i do believe with all my heart he truly is trying to enlighten us with this knowledge that he has , i can assure you that his intentions are indeed pure , take the time and see for your self

Ron thank you so very much with all of my heart thank you ... and i am so so very sorry about the negativity you have to deal with here , i understand that you have been fighting this since 2005 , but hold fast my good man ,and stand strong , people will hear your heart

Hu

LSH


I may have been harsh in my previous post, and I do not know the poster myself, so my opinion is just that, an opinion. I mean no offense, and i apologize if some of my words were insensitive Aronolac. You're story may be legit, I do not claim to know. But when i see all this Urantia talk i get suspicious fast. And I notice my contention that the Urantia Book is racist has not been addressed and i still stand behind that one 1000000000%

You may say this is off topic, but when you fling about terms only used in the Urantia book with great abundance when relating things in your posts then to me the whole alien story ties into the Urantia book agenda, whatever that may be, i do not claim to know, for that is the context and model you use to frame your story. You even mention that these aliens allegedly call earth Urantia.. gee what a coincidence.

So the long and short of it is, one must accept the Urantian framework if we are to accept your story as true. And as far as alternative Christian belief systems based on channelings go i prefer A Course In Miracles i think over the Urantia book, not that i am a follower of it either, but to me it makes more sense.

Apologize if any feelings were hurt caused on my part, but i mean if you're going to start a thread and make incredible claims, expect some resistance, regardless of whether it's true or not.

And with all due respect, I do not know him, he is a random person posting outrageous things on a forum board anonymously. You must be sympathetic to why some people may be skeptical.





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posted on Jan, 26 2013 @ 09:14 AM
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Originally posted by Aronolac
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A: What is sealed off is the inter galactic connection so I do not involve the Honeidar and Varen and any other species mixing into what is asked here. I do hear an occasional "smile" at some of the comments on the board. They appreciate some of the humor. This board section is "televised" through relfectivity to the various interests throughout the areas of these activities. I am in constant contact with the various agencies that promote intra-species education. They are running a test and conducting an experiment. They make no direct comment until I close the computer down for the day. I write nothing as conjecture unless I actually say so as I did about the different kinds of messaging above. There are at least two kinds of input I am conscious of: 1) in the ear comments; 2) sub-conscious data downloads. In the case of the second, I am not aware of those downloads until someone asks a question that triggers the playback. Sounds strange does it not? I have no idea how they do it.



Hi Aronlac,

For ever, I've used "channel" as the descriptive word to relay the messages that come to me and I record. It's the word I was raised with, to explain my gifts to me by my mother and close spiritual friends, so this is the term I naturally associate the phenomena with.

But with your above post to Examinate, I more closely match-up with number 2, sub-conscious data download. I've ever rarely had auditory, in the ear phenomena. With the exception of when I was on Seroquel for major depression when I left the military. Then my "channels" were blew open wide and I had the very unpleasant experience of temporary psychosis. Which stopped as soon as the Seroquel stopped. The other experiences I have had has either been shared, where my husband or kid and I look at each other and say "What the heck was that?" - or the very few occasions where a voice warns me to stop, not proceed and go the other way. So I guess my question is, how do you ascertain correctly what form of communication one is using? I've explained my process, previously, but I don't identify or make my own value judgements as to the content I receive. I record it and leave it, for the most part. Often times, I feel very good after a reading and only a few times has a working ever left me anxious or feeling down. I do sense colors and such, but I place little value on what we assume colors to mean and associate with others and ourselves.

To everyone -

A comment was made as to why they won't come and save us. Why would they? How is it their responsibility to raise us up from our own stupidity? If anything comes here and gives us the answers and saves us from ourselves, what lessons does humanity learn? That we can do whatever we want because at the tipping point we're just going to get bailed out by big brother/sister? Or great Father as many would come to worship them, and that in itself muddies the waters for any real beneficial contact. Can you imagine earth? Gimme, gimme, gimme. Why? Are we supposedly entitled to it and all the secrets of the universe should just be handed to us, without us doing the spiritual and physical legwork to get there on our own?

I've never read Urantia, but the bible is a very racist book also, which support slavery, child marriage, and hatred towards any who cannot be turned to "the way". These things were supported because of the politics of the time in which that book was compiled. The bible changed, as man changed. We don't enslave (well, that's a debatable point) or marry 14 year old children (in my country) and we strive for religious freedom (again, at least in my country) because we change. Our perceptions change. But we don't throw the bible away because the politics at the time DID support those beliefs and are reflected in it. We change, and as we change, we utilize the information available to us through the filters we put into place as to what is right and wrong. So when Urantia was written, what was the politics of the time? Just curious.

Thanks,
Cirque



posted on Jan, 26 2013 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth

Originally posted by Aronolac
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A: What is sealed off is the inter galactic connection so I do not involve the Honeidar and Varen and any other species mixing into what is asked here. I do hear an occasional "smile" at some of the comments on the board. They appreciate some of the humor. This board section is "televised" through relfectivity to the various interests throughout the areas of these activities. I am in constant contact with the various agencies that promote intra-species education. They are running a test and conducting an experiment. They make no direct comment until I close the computer down for the day. I write nothing as conjecture unless I actually say so as I did about the different kinds of messaging above. There are at least two kinds of input I am conscious of: 1) in the ear comments; 2) sub-conscious data downloads. In the case of the second, I am not aware of those downloads until someone asks a question that triggers the playback. Sounds strange does it not? I have no idea how they do it.




I've never read Urantia, but the bible is a very racist book also, which support slavery, child marriage, and hatred towards any who cannot be turned to "the way". These things were supported because of the politics of the time in which that book was compiled. The bible changed, as man changed. We don't enslave (well, that's a debatable point) or marry 14 year old children (in my country) and we strive for religious freedom (again, at least in my country) because we change. Our perceptions change. But we don't throw the bible away because the politics at the time DID support those beliefs and are reflected in it. We change, and as we change, we utilize the information available to us through the filters we put into place as to what is right and wrong. So when Urantia was written, what was the politics of the time? Just curious.

Thanks,
Cirque


The Bible was written nearly 2000 years ago. The Urantia book i believe was from the 50s in Chicago? Correct if Im wrong, which i may well be, though Im sure google or wikipedia could help you in regards to that question.

And that is sort of justifying racism to me, yes it was a different era, but as i stated in a previous post i met a Urantian a year or so ago on another forums and he or she said point blank to me 'yes, the white race is genetically and or spiritually superior.' Sorry, that doesn't fly with me. Not wanting to paint all Urantians with the same brush obviously, but then again it is right there in the book. The 'violet' race is superior. Does the Bible say straight out that one race is superior to another? It's an honest question, i have yet to read the entire Bible, though i sort of intend to one day.

My only other experience with the blue book was how it helped put one of my best friends in a psyche ward for an extended period of time. I don't blame it entirely for that, obviously there are a lot variables in play and he wasn't the most stable person at the time, but it certainly had a big hand in it imo.

It will be interesting for me Aronolac, to see if you address this or not. Silence can speak volumes as well. Having said that, i am more open than you might think to hear you or anyone out on the issue. It would not surprise me however to see you and others just ignore me and hope it all just goes away. Guess we'll see soon enough one way or another.
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