reply to post by LadyGreenEyes
. . . Plus, people can and DO know the difference, unless mentally ill, between reality and fantasy.
People are evidently not understanding my carefully worded statements about that.
I have said repeatedly [color=6699FF]SOME parts of the brain in SOME respects in SOME contexts
etc. etc. etc. do not distinguish (well,
if at all), between fantasy and reality.
The unconscious appears to treat all inputs as more or less equally real--e.g. in some levels of hypnosis.
And, at the level of reflex and other physiological responses to stimuli, a fantasy situation can trigger ALMOST as much cortisol flooding the
bloodstream as a real live situation. Both situations are treated VIRTUALLY the same.
I'm not currently up on PRECISELY WHICH brain centers treat stimuli virtually the same whether the stimuli are from fantasy or live face to face
situations. I just know that some do.
And, I know that BECAUSE OF THAT, the CONDITIONING from the video games and from the movies is quite powerful in a list of ways.
[color=6699FF]OTHERWISE, the globalist oligarchy would NOT have put so many millions into flooding the culture with such horrific garbage. They
KNOW that it's effective and that it provides a fair amount of bang for their buck in terms of the goals I've mentioned earlier
Above a very young age, we can tell those apart.
OF COURSE. That's not my point. I've not said that the whole brain of a more or less average person cannot tell the difference. I've not said that.
I have said that [color=6699FF]certain discrete, specific brain centers
treat certain kinds of fantasy stimuli VIRTUALLY THE SAME as
face to face stimuli. The triggering of cortisol in the blood stream by part of the brain when faced with fantasy OR "real" face to face
stimuli is but one example.
Studies claiming otherwise are simply not accurate.
Please see the above. It doesn't help mutually understanding dialogue when folks put their assumptions onto my words. The studies have not claimed
that and I've not claimed that.
That hundreds of thousands play these games, and most do not ever go out and commit such crimes, is pretty good evidence that the games are not the
cause. In the case of Columbine, I believe the cause was that those kids felt alienated in school, and were probably bullied. No game would be needed
there to cause what they did. Even then, most bullied kids don't go and shoot people at their schools. Not even most with guns in the home.
I've tried to articulate above and on the other thread . . .
[color=6699FF]There are MANY FACTORS which contribute to a specific violent set of behaviors in a specific time and in a specific context . . .
1. When and what the person ate
2. The degree--amount and quality--intensity, duration and TYPE of ATTACHMENT DISORDER
3. peer group
4. authority issues
5. control issues
6. hormonal makeup
7. genetic personality factors
8. dynamics within peer group; family; closer relationships
9. recent incidents within peer group; family; closer relationships
10. the values, memes, themes, stories the person most treasures; has been most immersed in; is most stimulated/excited by
11. the weather
12. news stories at the time
13. recent popular movies at the time
14. incidental statements/actions/threats/comments by passers-by as well as those in his social groups at or near the time
15. spiritual forces within and without
16. stimulus-response/ behavior-consequences/ patterns that have been built up over long periods of time.
"Only" 2-4 of the above have to do with the violent games/movies. However, ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, THOSE 2-4 factors CAN BE SUFFICIENT to push a
given individual over the line into violent behavior in CERTAIN contexts at a CERTAIN time in CERTAIN ways etc. etc.
It's simply a fact that there will be some violent people, and sometimes, those people will act against many others. It's been that way since the
Fall of Man.
That's beside the point. Of course that's true.
It will get worse because things are starting to approach the end game. That we have electronic versions of our childhood pirate, cops and robbers,
etc games isn't the reason things are worse.
See above. Nevertheless, the horrendous versions of same are constructed FOR A REASON or horrific set of reasons--WHICH DO APPLY, ARE TRUE, HAVE
--collectively and individually in our culture.
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