Evolution in a nutshell

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Computers and cars have evolved on their own

Stopped reading there....

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Originally posted by sleeper
As you know muse, the cool aid served in our modern progressive schools during the last few decades is strong stuff. It has a kick to the head that lasts a lifetime. So sad really.

Yep - these last few generations haven't managed to turn education into anythgni at all really.

apart from computers, flat screen TV's, Apple, Microsoft, Silicon Valley, increased food production, lowering US dependance on imported oil, etc.

Total waste of f-ing time is anyone educated any time in the last 40 years....



Either that or it's just a couple of posteers on here who have been a waste of taxpayers $$'s...

It's a tough choice....

Originally posted by sleeper
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There is "always" some form of intelligence behind evolution, whether it is pond scum, animals, insects, human brains or machines, somebody/something intelligent has its finger in the mix and designs the outcome. The idea of everything happening by "chance" is absurd.

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Biological evolution doesn't happen by pure "chance". That was the big idea that Darwin had. That natural selection is not random! Geesh...

By the way, people already knew that evolution existed before Darwin discovered natural selection. His contribution is that he explained how it is possible.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by sleeper
As you know muse, the cool aid served in our modern progressive schools during the last few decades is strong stuff. It has a kick to the head that lasts a lifetime. So sad really.

Yep - these last few generations haven't managed to turn education into anythgni at all really.

apart from computers, flat screen TV's, Apple, Microsoft, Silicon Valley, increased food production, lowering US dependance on imported oil, etc.

Are you saying that an intelligent force, perhaps intelligent people made those things happen? Why, I thought we lived on a planet where things just make themselves, scum turns into fish and fish turn into apes and apes into humans simply for the heck of it. Just maybe there is an intelligent force behind so called evolution too. But that concept might take some intelligence to comprehend.

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There isn't presently a reason to believe that there is.

Originally posted by Tearman

Originally posted by sleeper
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There is "always" some form of intelligence behind evolution, whether it is pond scum, animals, insects, human brains or machines, somebody/something intelligent has its finger in the mix and designs the outcome. The idea of everything happening by "chance" is absurd.

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Biological evolution doesn't happen by pure "chance". That was the big idea that Darwin had. That natural selection is not random! Geesh...

By the way, people already knew that evolution existed before Darwin discovered natural selection. His contribution is that he explained how it is possible.

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Darwin was not sold on the idea of evolution as much as most people think and went back to believing that other deception, religion, before he died.

Originally posted by sleeper
Darwin was not sold on the idea of evolution as much as most people think and went back to believing that other deception, religion, before he died.

Actually, that story about Darwin's deathbed confession isn't true.

Originally posted by Tearman

Originally posted by sleeper
Darwin was not sold on the idea of evolution as much as most people think and went back to believing that other deception, religion, before he died.

Actually, that story about Darwin's deathbed confession isn't true.

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It would seem that everyone has their own truths, their own beliefs, I certainly do. I haven't seen or looked to see the current twists about Darwin's continuing confusion and his going back and forth between his religious beliefs and his life's work, evolution. It matters not because in a world that demands proof, both are faith based, and only provable to diehard adherents or followers of such diehards.

Originally posted by sleeper
Evolution happens all around us every second of the day...and right before our eyes.
Look at the evolution of the computer and the constant never ending evolution of operating systems and software so that computers and computer users can advance their way of doing things in this forever changing world.

Look at how far cars have evolved the last hundred years...from the horse and buggy to the horseless carriage and now to cars that practically drive themselves... and soon will drive themselves.

Okay, lets look at that. Cars which work for people (and thus make money cause people want to buy them) get made more of (reproduced) and new inventions that don't work don't get made again (reproduced). So what gets reproduced is chosen by the consumers of cars. But who does the choosing with organisms? Who "decides" which animals get to live long enough to reproduce? Nature, pure and simple. If a polar bear is born without hair, it will freeze before it can reproduce. So it will not reproduce the hairless gene. Did nature require an intelligence to decide this? Not really - That gene didn't work, the animal died, so now the gene is gone. Was that "intelligent" selection?

The issue for "intelligent design" people is actually defining what intelligence is. For instance, if we define intelligence as foresight, we can test it. We can see if previous ice ages caused die offs of plants and animals with wrong genes, before the new ones came. (unintelligent) or we can see if animals got winter genes out of nowhere just in time for ice age (intelligent). But you have to define intelligence. There are artificial intelligence that use something called "genetic algorithms" to solve problems and to think. Are they intelligent? All they are doing is using random genetic recombinations to arrive at solutions.

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by Nevertheless

That can't be right as the reasoning behind Darwinism is not that it makes things easier for anyone.
Nor do computers and cars develop on their own.

It makes things easier for the creature that was upgraded that's the whole reasoning behind Darwinism.

Computers and cars don't "happen" they are made created by "intelligent design" humans, if you will.

There is "always" some form of intelligence behind evolution, whether it is pond scum, animals, insects, human brains or machines, somebody/something intelligent has its finger in the mix and designs the outcome.

That is just a statement.
If you throw Darwinism into the well, it would be interesting to hear you point out why it doesn't work, instead of claiming the involvement of something intelligent.

That is just a statement, as is saying that Darwinism is the reason for things happening out of the blue. Pixy dust makes more sense and is more believable in my book.

"Things happening out of the blue" is nothing to do with Darwinism! That is purely a construct of idiotic religions...And they are all idiotic IMO.
The creation myth and all that other fictional garbage found in religous books is a perfect example of something happening out of the blue though.
One minute the earth didn't exist, the next minute it did. One minute there was no light, the next minute there was light. etc, etc.
Darwins theories have been proved to be totally correct, without a slighest shadow of dought, mostly thanks to modern DNA research, which proves that we share much of the same DNA as the oldest life of Earth that we know about and of every form of live in between. Man didn't just happen out of blue, it took billions of years of evolution before we became Homo Sapiens...We all started out as bacteria though!

Originally posted by tridentblue

The issue for "intelligent design" people is actually defining what intelligence is. For instance, if we define intelligence as foresight, we can test it. We can see if previous ice ages caused die offs of plants and animals with wrong genes, before the new ones came. (unintelligent) or we can see if animals got winter genes out of nowhere just in time for ice age (intelligent). But you have to define intelligence. There are artificial intelligence that use something called "genetic algorithms" to solve problems and to think. Are they intelligent? All they are doing is using random genetic recombinations to arrive at solutions.

Artificial intelligence didn't just happen, humans created it, made the computers, wrote the software, built the robots and drones that use random genetic recombination. All that stuff was designed to do what it does by humans.

Same with evolution, it was designed by higher beings...beings that make humans look like chimps, when it comes to real intelligence.

Originally posted by ProfessorAlfB
Darwins theories have been proved to be totally correct, without a slighest shadow of dought, mostly thanks to modern DNA research, which proves that we share much of the same DNA as the oldest life of Earth that we know about and of every form of live in between. Man didn't just happen out of blue, it took billions of years of evolution before we became Homo Sapiens...We all started out as bacteria though!

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You haven't read this whole thread, evolution has been unequivocally disproven over and over again.

It's bad enough that people are proud to be ape descendants but lets draw the line somewhere further up the line than bacteria. I know, to be politically correct we should all just get along and be the ape people so many people want so desperately to be.

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by ProfessorAlfB
Darwins theories have been proved to be totally correct, without a slighest shadow of dought, mostly thanks to modern DNA research, which proves that we share much of the same DNA as the oldest life of Earth that we know about and of every form of live in between. Man didn't just happen out of blue, it took billions of years of evolution before we became Homo Sapiens...We all started out as bacteria though!

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You haven't read this whole thread, evolution has been unequivocally disproven over and over again.

It's bad enough that people are proud to be ape descendants but lets draw the line somewhere further up the line than bacteria. I know, to be politically correct we should all just get along and be the ape people so many people want so desperately to be.

They say ignorance is bliss, so you must be very happy indeed!

Originally posted by ProfessorAlfB

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by ProfessorAlfB
Darwins theories have been proved to be totally correct, without a slighest shadow of dought, mostly thanks to modern DNA research, which proves that we share much of the same DNA as the oldest life of Earth that we know about and of every form of live in between. Man didn't just happen out of blue, it took billions of years of evolution before we became Homo Sapiens...We all started out as bacteria though!

edit on 28-1-2013 by ProfessorAlfB because: (no reason given)

You haven't read this whole thread, evolution has been unequivocally disproven over and over again.

It's bad enough that people are proud to be ape descendants but lets draw the line somewhere further up the line than bacteria. I know, to be politically correct we should all just get along and be the ape people so many people want so desperately to be.

They say ignorance is bliss, so you must be very happy indeed!

Ignorance is not bliss yet so many people choose it because it is the easy way, the easy road, let others tell them what to believe. But who could ever have imagined the multitude of people that are so inclined to fall for the number one religion on this planet, Darwinism. A religion Darwin himself didn't fall for.

www.abc.net.au...
Language in junk DNA

So the scientists looked at a very long bit of DNA, and made artificial words by breaking up the DNA into "words" each 3 rungs long. And then they tried it again for "words" 4 rungs long, 5 rungs long, and so on up to 8 rungs long. They then analysed all these words, and to their surprise, they got the same sort of Zipf Law/straight-line-graph for the human DNA (which is mostly introns), as they did for the human languages!

There seems to be some sort of language buried in the so-called junk DNA! Certainly, the next few years will be a very good time to make a career change into the field of genetics.

Seems we have Creators! There is intelligent design for this school.

Couple that with the findings in quantum physics that there isn't really much matter here to even matter, and other findings that this is like a hologram, and the thing about holograms, is they're a technology and inventions basically, don't really understand why so many bought into Darwinism which was only ever a "theory".

www.cosmicfingerprints.com...

So which is DNA more like?

Is DNA more like stalactites and stalagmites and tornadoes and hurricanes and snowflakes and fractals? Or is DNA more like music, maps, computer programs and Chinese?

It’s definitely in the second category. Absolutely there is no question about it. So what we have here is that between the world of chaos and patterns and the world of designs and information there is a huge chasm. A huge chasm. The pattern of DNA is not like a language. It is a language. By any formal definition of language it is a language.

astroengine.com...
Is the Universe a Hologram

harsforn.livejournal.com...
DNA Quantum Holography

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by sleeper
As you know muse, the cool aid served in our modern progressive schools during the last few decades is strong stuff. It has a kick to the head that lasts a lifetime. So sad really.

Yep - these last few generations haven't managed to turn education into anythgni at all really.

apart from computers, flat screen TV's, Apple, Microsoft, Silicon Valley, increased food production, lowering US dependance on imported oil, etc.

Total waste of f-ing time is anyone educated any time in the last 40 years....

Either that or it's just a couple of posteers on here who have been a waste of taxpayers $$'s...

It's a tough choice....

Awe man talk about right in front of your nose...........

apart from computers, flat screen TV's, Apple, Microsoft, Silicon Valley, increased food production, lowering US dependance on imported oil, etc.

All of the above is a perfect example of evolution being driven by intelligent, well for humans, design don't you think?

Or would you call all of the above a mistake?

Total waste of f-ing time is anyone educated any time in the last 40 years....

Well not a complete wast of time, they have their perks as inefficient as they are. If only we were intelligently evolved enough to design something like the Banana...

Now would that not be impressive....

Oh wait you think the banana was a mistake so it's design s clearly not that impressive so never mind.

Either that or it's just a couple of posteers on here who have been a waste of taxpayers $$'s...

You can say that again, if anything public schools have helped make me one of the dumbest mrfrkrs on this planet!



The Rat.

Originally posted by TucoTheRat

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
apart from computers, flat screen TV's, Apple, Microsoft, Silicon Valley, increased food production, lowering US dependance on imported oil, etc.

All of the above is a perfect example of evolution being driven by intelligent, well for humans, design don't you think?

if you don't understand why they are completely irrelevant to natural selection then I guess perhaps the eduction system is a waste of money!

Or would you call all of the above a mistake?

No - I would call characterising them as evolution ignorance rather than a mistake.

Oh wait you think the banana was a mistake ...

thank you for telling me what I think......how terribly nice of you.

Either that or it's just a couple of posteers on here who have been a waste of taxpayers $$'s...

You can say that again, if anything public schools have helped make me one of the dumbest mrfrkrs on this planet!

sometimes people are the best at assessing themselves - case in point!

Originally posted by sleeper
Artificial intelligence didn't just happen, humans created it, made the computers, wrote the software, built the robots and drones that use random genetic recombination. All that stuff was designed to do what it does by humans.

Same with evolution, it was designed by higher beings...beings that make humans look like chimps, when it comes to real intelligence.

Why don't you take 5 seconds out of your busy life to consider why biological evolution doesn't require a designer the same way computer intelligence does. It is obvious that you have NEVER thought about it.

In case it doesn't come to you: Computers have no built-in mechanisms that permit evolution. If they did have DNA (or something analogous) and could reproduce, they wouldn't need any intelligent intervention to evolve. Of course their evolution would no longer be intelligent, and those computers would not suit our purpose. Unless the selection process that guides their evolution was based on how useful the computer is to us.

Originally posted by sleeper
Ignorance is not bliss yet so many people choose it because it is the easy way, the easy road, let others tell them what to believe. But who could ever have imagined the multitude of people that are so inclined to fall for the number one religion on this planet, Darwinism. A religion Darwin himself didn't fall for.

Amen! lol
Its a sneaky religion that Darwinism one. Its got plenty of people, hook, line and sinker, without them having a good think about it - indoctrinated. People that presume they are thinking smart by advocating it, but not so im afraid. In reality, you have to look at everything from a 3rd party perspective, a higher up perspective, to get an idea of how things developed over time on earth - and that Darwinism is a fraud.

I think its fair to say that the secrets of human's existence on earth, the truth behind our 'evolving' over the centuries, it was always going to be a little more magical and complex than a simple 'theory of evolution' and leaving it all to chance. Is our civilisation that lucky to just sprout by itself??

Sleeper am i on to something??

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I have no problem with realizing I very well could be the dumbest mrfrkr on the planet. I actually rejoice that I can, at the very least, force myself to understand that I along with all of humanity cannot be classified as the sharpest tool in the shed. I hold this ability as one would guard treasure.

It helps me stay sharp, helps keep things in perspective and keeps my own true idiocy from getting in the way of things. It is truly a battle.

But as the dumbest mrfrkr on the planet I can't help but look at a banana and think to myself why do people who believe in natural selection and Darwinist evolution choose the monkey genre? Sure the kind of look like us and the closest fossils that resemble us would make a great match, but why not choose a whale, wolf, or a banana?

Something a little cool the bat!

from a none intelligent design point of view everything, all life, came from boiled sea muck. Intelligent, thinking being came from sea muck, that's where every thing came from. And if negligent, thinking beings came from sea muck why couldn't we have, along the way, been a banana? there is just as much evidence that we came from the banana as we did from anything else after all.

if humans and all else did not come into being from intelligent design than we humans are the royal crown of it all, the top of the top, the best sea goo can do, chances best mistake ever!

And if sea goo can make a cell and that cell can make bacteria and that bacteria a squiggly thing and that squiggly thing a fish and that fish an elephant ad that elephant a banana and that banana a monkey a human a human who can use tools and create and design things amazing things....

What happens if some day humans design life? And that life is redesigned by humans until it itself becomes intelligent and aware and starts asking itself where it came from and how it came to be, what then? Would they have been created by intelligent design or evolution?

I wonder if these hypothetical beings created by the hands of humans lacking the knowledge of where they came from would look at old designs that resembled them and blamed it all, their entire existence on sea muck LOL.

Come on it would be funny.

Some people say chance, I say the evidence of intelligent design is right between your eyes. To see it take courage not that much intelligence, and humans are only capable of one of the two.

The Rat.