Originally posted by Windwalker63
A Doctor cannot separate parents from the children. They have to call the police or Social Services. They do not have the authority to keep you from your children. That would be forceful detainment and they would get in trouble if they did that. A doctor cannot take a child into custody on their own merit. I have been asked questions when I am admitted to hospital like: "are you in a safe environment?", "are you being abused?" and questions like that. I am a big man but they still ask because that is the new admittance forms and it is their job to ask and getting offended at them is not right because they are only doing their job.

REALLY???? REALLY????? This is what you are going with?????

HMMM.... The SS in Nazi Germany was just doing their job....

The Stalinites, were just doing their job....

Neighbors in Nazi Germany who informed on their neighbors were just doing their civic duty....

Get the # out of here with this bull#...

People who claim they are just doing their jobs are #ing cowards that should be....... (ashamed of themselves)...

Jaden

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
And children of all ages need to understand the 5th amendment and how to take it. I wonder if they even bother teaching this in school. My daughter knows it, and jokes me all the time when she is in trouble. She'll take the 5th.

I taught my child this as well. She knows it and the school officials didn't - they do now since the time they tried to ask her about attendance.

There is even a supreme court ruling J.D.B. v. North Carolina that protects the rights of children from self incrimination when they are called to answer questions by school officials with regard to something that while a violation of school policy also could result in a delinquency or status offense such as truancy, drugs, weapons etc.

In these situations it was ruled that the involuntary nature of the summons to the office for questioning and the adversarial nature of it warrants the protection. If they do question your kid at school and for some reason they answer regarding actual criminal conduct anything discussed or discovered during the session is inadmissible in a court of law.

The same of course does not apply to school disciplinary type things. This ruling actually has a negative consequence in that this is why the schools are so quick to call law enforcement for the most minor of transgressions - resulting in a lot of kids with criminal records when 20 years ago the school would have handled it in house.

As always the SCOTUS ruling is a double edged sword.

Originally posted by ManFromEurope
Well, they asked "o you get good grades in school? Do you get bullied?", too.


Always just guns, guns, guns.

So what? Is it only possible for an US-american man to be a man with a gun?

Is this some macho-thing going on - "look, my barrel is loooonger and wider than yours! And you should touch it, it is sooooo smoooth, as I tend to caress it daily with oils and fluids!"?

Stop being so childish. The rest of the world can get rid of its government, too - without weapons. Just look at the former German Democratic Republic. Completely overthrew their government, not a single shot needed. Why do you think that it would have to be different in the USA?

We happen to be students of recent history and know that governments including your former German government disarmed and murdered 250 million of their own people. Call us crazy but we'd kind of like to have to have some insurance against that ever happening here in America.

We are not naive idiots who think because things might be ok now that it could never happen here and preserving our rights to self defense against such governments as that insurance is just common sense (or is that uncommon sense?) So thanks for your concern but we'll be keeping the guns and dismissing foolish naive arguments such as yours....

Originally posted by twitchy
The safety of the child is the responsibility of the parents, not the state, and certainly not the doctor you pay to cure your medical ailments...

What happens when it is the parents that put the safety of the child in jeopardy ?

Originally posted by UmbraSumus

Originally posted by twitchy
The safety of the child is the responsibility of the parents, not the state, and certainly not the doctor you pay to cure your medical ailments...

What happens when it is the parents that put the safety of the child in jeopardy ?

There is already a system for that. We don't need more systems, we've got enough already.

I had an optometrist ask me, years ago, in Chicago, if there was a war between "x" and "y", which side would you choose? ( x and y being two different countries, i won't go into specifics).
My parents were outside the room.

I don't think this is a new phenomena, perhaps more widesoread now though.

Originally posted by SunnyDee

Originally posted by UmbraSumus

Originally posted by twitchy
The safety of the child is the responsibility of the parents, not the state, and certainly not the doctor you pay to cure your medical ailments...

What happens when it is the parents that put the safety of the child in jeopardy ?

There is already a system for that. We don't need more systems, we've got enough already.

But aren`t doctors often some of the first front line services that encounter child safety issues and abuse. School teachers would be another.

I know now that they teach children that no adult should ask them to keep secrets; in the majority of families the parents have the child’s best interests at heart, however, in some cases, the child needs protecting from a parent(s). Front-line services are the best placed to flag concerns.

Originally posted by ~widowmaker~
it wont ever end, thats the sad part people dont get, all this crap isnt even really to do with guns. its to set up a protocol that the people doing these things with the guns are mentally unstable, therefor we will need more stricter health care laws in which we start asking these kinds of questions so

A. then can force people onto more prescribed medication than ever before. $$$$$ its why the health care is being mandated and forced apon people because now everyone will be able to afford them. and when they cant, they will ask us to pay MORE in health care to take care of these "types" of people.

B. so when someone in society is giving them trouble, they can request that such person get examined and they can do that now in most states , so after they bolster this law it wont even bat an eye to do it. regardless if you are really unstable or not you will be found not stable , and you will start to lose x y z priviledges

c and since now it wont matter if you got the I.D to obtain weapons they can take them away regardless of what constitution says , just be declaring you medically unstable.

I think this is exactly it. There might be a few things they have planned that weren't mentioned in this post but this is pretty much what they're up to. Control.

Regardless of whether or not events like 9/11 are "inside jobs" they have decided that the people who ask too many questions are making too much noise. The types of people who make waves will be declared to be "unstable" or some such. Likely some scientific sounding name will be given to the condition that makes one unfit to choose for themselves and guide their own lives. They will simply be forced down whatever path the government chooses for them.

Originally posted by UmbraSumus

Originally posted by twitchy
The safety of the child is the responsibility of the parents, not the state, and certainly not the doctor you pay to cure your medical ailments...

What happens when it is the parents that put the safety of the child in jeopardy ?

I guess you have a point. The state has a vested interest in taking care of it's livestock.

Originally posted by UmbraSumus
What happens when it is the parents that put the safety of the child in jeopardy ?

There is a provision in the law that allows for children to be questioned by legal authorities without the consent or knowledge even of the parent.

However, it requires probable cause to believe that the parent has acted in a manner so as to endanger (through action or neglect) and the permission of a judge to conduct such a proceeding.

The two things missing from these fishing expeditions by health care personnel are legal authority and probable cause. I could see them arranging for a parent to leave the room strategically if the kid (or spouse) was there with a fist print on their face, or had been in for multiple suspicious injuries attributed to clumsiness.

However, asking it as a matter of course without any probable cause is just fishing for an excuse for a chance to be Johnny on the spot for the workers.

It makes them feel important...and justifies the legions of paid government workers who want nothing more than to put another kid in the system so that their sphere of influence increases and they get promoted.

The modern apparatus is so much more efficient than the IBM system used during Adolf's time. Americans should be proud to have such a sophisticated information network in place to secure the power of authority over the masses, and the means to execute them with such astounding rapidity.