Sneaky Scum Doctor Probes Teen about Guns in Home- While Parents Out of Room

Originally posted by WaterBottle
Anytime I went to the hospital they asked me if I there were "violence in the home, alchohol abuse, drug abuse etc." or other questions like that. They ask this to everyone, at least minors... The last time I went was when I was 17, so I'm not sure if they ask that to adults.

It's not like they could make you answer anyway.

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They ask adults. I went with my sister and her husband to the ER. She was having gallstone pain and once they ascertained that she was married, they asked her flat out if she felt threatened by her husband, or if he ever hit her. He was in the parking lot, parking the car. She went off on the nurse because she felt offended by it. Her husband is a good man. The nurse just shrugged and said she was only doing her job.

I understand that they ask all women this question. I don't have a problem with it. Many women hide domestic violence in the ER. I think that question is fine, but when it comes to asking about gun ownership, or other personal things, that's just wrong. I wonder if separating parents and children and questioning the children alone is going to become a common thing.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by ManFromEurope

 

And thank GOD for the second amendment in America.

Is not a darn business of any doctor to ask such a question to an underage teen.

And children of all ages need to understand the 5th amendment and how to take it. I wonder if they even bother teaching this in school. My daughter knows it, and jokes me all the time when she is in trouble. She'll take the 5th.

What could happen if a child tells a doctor "yes, there are guns in my house"?

Well, they could call social services and have the child removed from the custody of the parent while the home and parents are investigated.

Doctors are mandated reporters.... if they call CPS/DFS, they can send a social worker to the hospital/clinic to investigate. They can separate the child from the parents and question the child and there is nothing a parent can do.

See where this whole thing *could* go?

As a parent, if you feel fearful to lose your child over gun ownership, would you keep the guns in the house, or get rid of them to get your child back?

That's just one scenario out of many in this game they are going to play.

reply to post by Rising Against


Because when I go to a doctor, I want the doctor to treat my illness, not question me about what I keep within the confines of my home or property. That's not the business of a doctor. The doctor goes to school to become a physician, not a gestapo.

If there are outward signs of abuse to a child, physical or mental, then that is the doctor's business. But what guns I keep in my home? No.

Originally posted by MrSpad
So in other words nobody can read the story? And yet we have lots of people ranting once again when they have no idea what the story is. And people wonder everyone thinks this place is a collection of loons.

Maybe you should not post here, so that one would not mistake you for one of us loons?

Originally posted by Heisenberg59
reply to post by ManFromEurope

 

So you're from Germany and you still think you should turn in your guns to the Government?

I guess lessons learned don't last very long.

My grandfather fought and nearly died in WWII. No one over there minded guns then.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


If the shooter's doctor had asked in Newtown maybe the horrible event wouldn't have occurred. The details in this sort of story are important. I bet you that the kid was depressed and suicidal. Did that occur to you?

I swear some people can't see the forest for the trees. They go into "Guns are bad, mmkay" mode and any and everything that is ostensibly about gun "safety" is ok, even necessary. Some have said, this isn't new, doctors have been doing this for awhile, and that's a justification, I can't speak for everyone, but personally, I'm just finding out about this and I can assure you, as I know me pretty well, that had I heard about it sooner I would still have been as vehemently opposed to it then as I am expressing now. And what if it wasn't about guns, what if the question was "Do you have internet access in your home?" Oh, you do. "What types of websites do your parents frequent?" (the logic being doctors have to look out for the sexual and mental well being of their patients, and we have to protect kids from pornography) No porn, that's good. But your parent(s) frequent conspiracy websites, interesting. and next thing you know social services is knocking at your door to investigate if you are an unfit parent.

I will concede one point a little though, in an earlier post I stated that a question about guns is never medically relevant, upon further reflection I have to amend that to say that, that question is only medically relevant when the patient presents with a gun related injury, be it evidence of having been pistol-whipped, or otherwise struck with a firearm; bruising from improperly bracing for the recoil of a firearm, ex. bruised ribs; or a gunshot wound. But as just a standard question...NO.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Later that day, Sam told her what the doctors had asked him.

"By the way, Mom," she recalled him saying, "when you were out of the room they asked me if we had any guns in the house."

TA,

If it were my son in there, being the smart ass he is, he would have told them........

"Sure my dad keeps a loaded gun very close by all the time, how do you think I got here?"

"Mommy calls it the big shooter"

It's none of their damn business.

reply to post by Thunder heart woman


That is true, I forgot about the 5th,



Still I am 52 years old and been in the emergency room many times and have 4 major surgeries in the past 10 years, and never, ever I have been asked about anything that is not related to the issues that has brought me to the emergency room and surgeries.

BTW my daughter just graduated from nursing school and is a ER nurse and she said she is not aware of anything about asking certain questions that are not related to treatment because is her job now if the patient is badly injured by gun or other suspicious injuries as rape they ask how they got the injuries and then call security for a report and that is standard procedure in any hospital

Interesting.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Thunder heart woman

 

That is true, I forgot about the 5th,

Still I am 52 years old and been in the emergency room many times and have 4 major surgeries in the past 10 years, and never, ever I have been asked about anything that is not related to the issues that has brought me to the emergency room and surgeries.

BTW my daughter just graduated from nursing school and is a ER nurse and she said she is not aware of anything about asking certain questions that are not related to treatment because is her job now if the patient is badly injured by gun or other suspicious injuries as rape they ask how they got the injuries and then call security for a report and that is standard procedure in any hospital

Interesting.

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In the past 2-years I have been to the ER and had in-hospital surgeries a number of times. Upon admission and prior to surgery, I was asked a number of questions that had nothing to do with my course of care.
Examples: Do you feel safe at home? Do you feel threatened in any way? Are you depressed? Have you ever experienced mental health issues? The questions were, IMO, invasive.

Regrettably, I don't have time to read this entire thread, but let it be noted that what I came across last night should rattle some Second Amendment advocate's cage, as well.

If Missouri lawmakers get their way, parents in the state will have to notify the schools their children go to about their gun ownership within 30 days or face a $100 fine.

In this legislation you will have to notify the school administrators of the district you wish your child to attend, that you own a gun. Failure to comply, even if your child attends a charter or private school, results in a $100 fine. And, because putting a price on violence always works, if your child does use a gun resulting in injury or death, that you own and failed to notify the school about it, you will face a $1000 fine or other penalties authorized by law.

source for quoted material

reply to post by TheFlash

The details in this sort of story are important. I bet you that the kid was depressed and suicidal. Did that occur to you?

Sam had a tonsil problem.

"It was an infected tonsil," Mary Rita Insley told me of her son Sam, a strapping, 6-foot-2-inch, 195-pound lacrosse player at St. Rita High School on the Southwest Side.

She said she would have understood a gun-related question if her son was being treated for mental or emotional issues. But he doesn't have those issues and has never been treated for them, she said.

"He wasn't there for psychiatric reasons," she said. "He wasn't suicidal. HE WAS THERE FOR AN INFECTED TONSIL!"

Link to source article
You would lose that bet.

Now that the details are known and we know the question had no immediate medical relevance where do you stand on the question being asked?

This doctors questions are irrelevant. You have to determine if the person is troubled before hand. Even then it still would be a pointless question. Since there is numerous ways to do bodily harm.

Standard procedure is no doctor is supposed to treat your children without you being present. The police cannot interrogate a minor unless the parents or lawyer are present. Children have more rights than adults. If a doctor did my child that way then they would probably need medical attention afterwards.

reply to post by TheFlash


The doctors are not going to do anything with the garnered information but type it into a database that is now federally controlled.

It seems to me, when enough people have been made to answer these questions, then the next steps will come. As someone pointed out earlier....What if you want to take Paxil or the like and then are told no because you own guns? This is just ONE example. I could sit here if I had the time and probably come up with 100's of scenarios that will play out through the power of Obamacare with this new information.

The doctor never asked this before, because it doesn't effect treatment of a patient, well that is, until he is told now to ask it and given propagandist reasoning for it new use.

Be careful what privacy you give up, it's a slippery slope!

The doctor did not have the right but it could have been that the doctor had enough experience to know the kid was in a situation where guns would make it worse. But the probably scenario is the doctor was dictating and interrogating.

A Doctor cannot separate parents from the children. They have to call the police or Social Services. They do not have the authority to keep you from your children. That would be forceful detainment and they would get in trouble if they did that. A doctor cannot take a child into custody on their own merit. I have been asked questions when I am admitted to hospital like: "are you in a safe environment?", "are you being abused?" and questions like that. I am a big man but they still ask because that is the new admittance forms and it is their job to ask and getting offended at them is not right because they are only doing their job.

reply to post by MisterMandlebrot


Yes, but this is coming up now all over the nation. People as of the first of the year are being asked about guns. It's a new Obamacare thing. I heard first-hand two people within the last couple of weeks that were questioned and these are just regular people with the flu.

It's too bad the young man didn't reply "Oh no, we don't keep them in the house, my parents are licensed to carry them...outside the bunker"

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Why is this outrageous?