Sneaky Scum Doctor Probes Teen about Guns in Home- While Parents Out of Room

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posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:20 AM
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I friend of mine just told me his daughter was asked about guns, during her sports pyshical for school.

She was also asked about drugs, alcohol, sex, and lead paint. Her Dad thinks it was a question about the lead content of bullets, and the harm that could come from lead exposure.




posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:22 AM
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And thank GOD for the privacy laws in America that protect individuals when self righteours pig wants to get into other peoples business that are not what their job description calls for. A doctor is not a law enforcement official, plain and simple, if we allow everybody to become judges, interrogators and executioners in our nation then we will not need a system of government at all.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:24 AM
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I teach my children to question everything and If anybody asks anything about our family to tell them it is non of their business and if they want answers then please contact my Mom or Dad. I dare a DR, Teacher, Cop, or any other authoritativeness figure to come at my kids like that. I'll use the system to my advantage if they did that. Since we are dealing with Minors, I am sure their is some sort of Ambulance chasing lawyer that would love to get us a settlement.
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posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:25 AM
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Yep. It's amazing how they repackage these types of things and so many people just don't recognize it. I wonder what the people of Berlin are thinking in these times?


Berlin, Germany was exactly what I was thinking.

How long before a special task force is promoted to stop these supposed public dissidents?

It’s so cliché to say this but; We must learn from history.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:26 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Ok, so, the doctor asked if they had any guns in the house. Was that all he asked? No, it's not. This is a pediatrician asking multiple questions in relation to the safety of a youngster, this one question just happened to stand out. I'm sorry but I'm really not seeing the big deal some of you are making this out to be. Sure, reading the article it does seem like an unnecessary question to ask given the circumstances, that is kind of obvious as I read it. But, looking at the grand scale of thing's, is it really that bad? I don't think so. Especially in light of recent events. Also, I carried on reading the article and as ManFromEurope previously and rightly brought up, this can also be found:


According to Insley, Butterly told her the staff began asking such questions in October. This apparently follows a report from the American Academy of Pediatrics published Oct. 18 recommending that pediatricians ask gun questions as part of patient history.

That October report sites firearms as one of the top three killers of American children and reasons that questions about availability of guns would allow medical staff to tell parents to keep guns out of their homes, or at least out of children's reach.

"Child health care professionals," the October report reads, "can and should provide effective leadership in efforts to prevent gun violence, injury and death."

No one should have unsecured guns in a home or anywhere else. We've seen too many stories of what happens when those rules aren't followed.


He's obviously not being malicious with his questioning, he's just doing his job and what he feel's is right and for the benefit of the child. If he didn't want to answer I imagine he was well with-in his rights to do so as well as they're personal questions. To call the doctor scum though, to cast him out or to call him any other name, well that's just way out of line in all honesty. Especially given that we don't know all the details here, something I doubt we ever will have in a case like this.

So yeah, in all honesty, I'm not seeing it as the big issue people are trying to make it out to be. Sure It did seem a bit unnecessary but on the other hand, I can completely understand the need to ask such questions - not just the gun one remember. There's nothing malicious about it. So come on now, stop allowing yourselves to get so unnecessarily angry here people. We're responsible adults, not children.

Also, It really must be said as well that to those who will claim those outside of America, like myself, have no place giving their opinions here - Well I say grow up. We have just as much right to give an opinion as everyone else. If you disagree with it, fair enough, tell us why, but don't try to censor that opinion because you disagree with it. That's what's happening after all. We're here to challenge our beliefs on ATS and we're here to discuss important issues. You're all welcome to discuss our issues as we're more than capable of discussing yours.

Disagree? Well let's discuss it like the adults we are.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
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posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:28 AM
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Why should we have to answer? An inanimate object sitting in my house has no bearing on my health. It didn't cause my daughter's cold or even my arthritis, so why do they need to know? It is just one more way for our ever snoopy government to stick their nose where it doesn't belong. The uproar about the guns is not actually about GUNS. It is a reaction to the government stripping our rights away one by one and people have finally started to see it for what it is. An attempt to disarm the American people so they can do what they want. WE don't want troops on the corner with weapons "protecting" us. We do a damn fine job all by ourselves.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:32 AM
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EXACTLY.

I can't continue folks sorry, I'm out. You guys go ahead. There are some things that just push my buttons too much, and this one just did.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:38 AM
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A doctors job is to practice medicine, treat for medical problems not to become interrogators.

Yes they are encouraged to speak out if they see that the child they are treating have the signs of child abuse, but interrogators they are not.

We had guns in our home since before our children were born, no even once my children were asked by their many prediatricians about any guns in the home, so why now? if I remember very well death by guns has been going on before my children were born during their life as children and now as adults.

So this is a govenrment agenda plain and simple and will get out of hand as usual.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:41 AM
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So a child's 5-10 minute private session with a doctor will cure bullying, drug abuse, teen pregnancy rates, parental abuse, mental health issues, gun registration deficiencies, poor school grades, and world hunger, right??????

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posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by DAVID64
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Do you live here? Are you planning to live here? If no to both, it's really none of your business is it?


This was not addressed to me, and yes, I do live "here", but I need to say: what a brilliant openness to opinions! What freedom of discussion! What warmth of the american character!



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:44 AM
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Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety of their patients and the broader community by reporting direct and credible threats of violence to the authorities. But there is public confusion about whether federal law prohibits such reports about threats of violence. The Department of Health and Human Services is issuing a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits these reports in any way.

Maybe the doctor had cause for concern in this case? Hard to say without the full story for consideration.
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posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by DAVID64
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Why should we have to answer? An inanimate object sitting in my house has no bearing on my health.


There could be allergens sitting your house, or asbestos, or foam insulator, or a vial of cyanide, or rat poison, or a box of glass shards. All of these are inanimate. They have plenty of potential to impact your health.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:49 AM
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When I was a child we had many guns in our house. My mother had 9 kids and every single one of us grew up without an injury from a gun. Its called parental responsibility. The state can not take the place of a parent. At 3 years old I KNEW what the punishment was for touching one of the guns.I also KNEW what that gun was for as I seen hogs butchered and even helped in carrying meat into the house.At 5 years old I got to shoot my first gun, a .38.Both parents were there guiding me on each side making sure I KNEW what I was doing and that I stayed safe.I never felt I had to investigate guns as I knew what they were. Maybe the DRs should start asking new parents if they are teaching their children responsibility and safe gun handling.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:49 AM
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Calling or referring to it as an Interrogation is just an exaggeration of what's going on here. It was no such thing, nor was it close to any such thing and to claim it as such is wildly incorrect and as far as I can see, a clear attempt to sway opinion. It's not something that's going to work either. It was, as described to us anyway, mere questioning in regards to the safety of the child in all aspects. And, given recent events, a pretty reasonable question to ask as well in my opinion. Again I should point out it was not the only question asked.

Did he have to answer this, as well as the questions about bullying and whatever else? No, of course he wouldn't be forced to do that. Again, it's not an interrogation and to claim it as such is incorrect to say the least. Let's at least describe this as what it is here.

It's the job of the pediatrician to look out for the overall well being and safety of the child. I see him clearly doing his job here. Nothing malicious about his questioning, nothing sneaky and nothing else like this either. Just someone doing what's right.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by DAVID64
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Why should we have to answer? An inanimate object sitting in my house has no bearing on my health. It didn't cause my daughter's cold or even my arthritis, so why do they need to know? It is just one more way for our ever snoopy government to stick their nose where it doesn't belong. The uproar about the guns is not actually about GUNS. It is a reaction to the government stripping our rights away one by one and people have finally started to see it for what it is. An attempt to disarm the American people so they can do what they want. WE don't want troops on the corner with weapons "protecting" us. We do a damn fine job all by ourselves.


Okay, I will repeat my former posting:

Why are doctors allowed to ask "do you get good grades in school? Do you get bullied?", as stated in the article? Because there is a good cause to it! Read the whole article.


"According to Insley, Butterly told her the staff began asking such questions in October. This apparently follows a report from the American Academy of Pediatrics published Oct. 18 recommending that pediatricians ask gun questions as part of patient history.

That October report sites firearms as one of the top three killers of American children and reasons that questions about availability of guns would allow medical staff to tell parents to keep guns out of their homes, or at least out of children's reach."


There IS a cause for this asking of a doctor other than just plainly being nosy.



Okay, okay, now I will try to give some example:
As you might know, the Autobahn in Germany doesn't have a speedlimit for a larger part.
I guess, one could compare the outcry which happens every time some son of a butch politician tries to introduce an overall speedlimit on the Autobahn to the ban of guns in the USA.
HEY, don't you take away my freedom to drive my car with the speeds I like!

Maybe we don't wear weapons all day and all night.
Maybe we have a ban on breeding some dog-races like pitbull and others.

But don't try to take THAT freedom from us! I want to have the permission to drive my car as fast as I want!


If I look at the whole gun-situation, I just realized the similarity... Okay, keep your guns. I concede to a whole lot of your points, aside the need to use AR rifles for "defense"..



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:51 AM
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Do you think there were bullet scuff marks on this kid or something? Look, we are not a nation of cowboys, we are a nation that respects the right to bear arms!

History does repeat itself, over, and over, and over, and over. Wars will come again. Tyranny will happen again. We are seeing it now, for God's sake.

The Americans that are fighting tooth and nail to keep our rights, realize this. It's not discussed enough as the reason, but this is it.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by Rising Against
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Ok, so, the doctor asked if they had any guns in the house. Was that all he asked? No, it's not. This is a pediatrician asking multiple questions in relation to the safety of a youngster, this one question just happened to stand out. I'm sorry but I'm really not seeing the big deal some of you are making this out to be.


Oh please. It's one thing to try and be objective. It's quite another to be downright dishonest and try to disguise it as objectivity.


He's obviously not being malicious with his questioning, he's just doing his job and what he feel's is right and for the benefit of the child.


I'm afraid the absence of malice doesn't exonerate someone if they are following unjust instructions from above. Obama's instructions to doctors to ask such questions are obviously a little less innocent than those of the doctor himself. And to hide the question in a group of somewhat less objectionable questions is even worse.

There has been enough trouble from people who were "just doing their jobs". extra DIV



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by ManFromEurope

That October report sites firearms as one of the top three killers of American children and reasons that questions about availability of guns would allow medical staff to tell parents to keep guns out of their homes, or at least out of children's reach."


You live in Europe! Go away! You have no business telling us how exactly, in what fashion we need to kill our children! We prefer guns!

*SARCASM OFF*



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:57 AM
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What's really disturbing about this is that I think many doctors will follow through and ask these types of questions even if they are very uncomfortable with it because they have so much pressure on them and there are so many ways the healthcare mafia can make them regret it if they don't follow orders.

Doctors are known to be cowards in the face of this kind of pressure. Their fear of malpractice lawsuits already rules everything they do.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 09:58 AM
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Those cause signs and symptoms. Show me the medical result of having a piece of metal and wood locked in a cabinet.





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