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Rumors of Military establishing active duty weapons registry for off-base personnel?

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posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Carreau
When I was a private and married, my squad leader inspected my apartment once a month. When I became a NCO the commander required me to inspect my soldiers housing on and off post. These inspections included checking the status of firearms.

This is normal and has been for decades. Maybe some people are just more sensitive now or new soldiers are just becoming aware of the regulations.


I don't know about the Army, but, when I was in the Navy (82-87) I lived off base. Since I did not collect a housing allowance, I was assigned a room in the barracks. I had to make sure that my room in the barracks was prepared for inspection each week. The issue was raised about inspecting my off base apartment and I told them to buzz off. My CO supported me, because, since I didn't collect the housing allowance they had no right to inspect my apartment. As far as restricting me to base goes, it would never have happened, since my CO wasn't a prick.




posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 11:21 AM
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Another day, another wild rumor on the web bout guns from a dubious source.


If, as TA points out, there is some sort of upheaval or mass protest brewing ...you guys will have done it to yourselves.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 11:27 AM
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Post/Base commanders, company/unit commanders, and Provost Marshals have a lot of discretion in what they choose for the personnel assigned to them. Some are more strict than others. And different branches of the military vary.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 11:33 AM
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I had a law rocket in my locker for weeks!


I once found a half-naked 16 year old daughter of a SFC hiding in a PVT's wall-locker during an unannounced inspection. Just because it's in your wall locker doesn't mean it's supposed to be in there.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 11:43 AM
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It was another time and another place I guess.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by 200Plus
reply to post by Logarock
 


WTF are you on about?

So in your mind a single soldier that is 24 with five years in the military should have his living area inspected, but a married soldier that is 19 with three kids shouldn't?

I give less then a damn what you think of me as a soldier. Its lack of discipline that causes the issues we have in the military today. Enjoy the ineffective army YOU are helping to create. I am retired and won't have to deal with it

My husband is/was ( never stop being) a Marine, but has been out for years and working with the DoD on base. To the OP.. its nothing new and was a norm in the early 90's when he was in as well. There is some talk about weapon ownership off base being a problem for DoD/Fed, Civ, etc base employees. As in needing to be tracked. Ive heard nothing official or anything, just talk.. speculation... bitching..

Concerning the post I quoted, HAH!
My BIL is active and has been having issues with the younger ones. Your comment about 19 and 3 kids gave me a chuckle. This past Christmas when we had all gotten together he was griping about the new batch he had and how they left home to find a new mamma : him. That the MPs and he went to the on base apartment to home check and it was knee deep in dog crap and kids running around in dirty diapers, no wonder his uniform was a wreck. That half of them had such bad financial problems ( buying expensive cars they cant afford and having loan issues, etc) that he was about to pull his hair out. He told a few good ones that really clued me into these kids having NO home training and exactly what raw material he had to work with in the 2000's concerning the newer generation of mil is like running a daycare. It really IS shocking whats permissible these days as compared to when our parents were active duty, though.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 12:34 PM
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Back to the OP.....if this means registration for guns in a home off base, a private rented or owned home, even if the trooper is getting extra pay.....you can take the military and shove it up your a##.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by Logarock
Back to the OP.....if this means registration for guns in a home off base, a private rented or owned home, even if the trooper is getting extra pay.....you can take the military and shove it up your a##.

It is not really needed, as the Military has no jurisdiction once off base.
The Sargents can bitch and moan and posture all they want, they will have no authority to enter the home and check.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by Logarock
Back to the OP.....if this means registration for guns in a home off base, a private rented or owned home, even if the trooper is getting extra pay.....you can take the military and shove it up your a##.

It is not really needed, as the Military has no jurisdiction once off base.
The Sargents can bitch and moan and posture all they want, they will have no authority to enter the home and check.


Mac, I think this might be a part of the confusion...

www.nytimes.com...


The new amendment, part of the defense authorization bill for 2013 that has been passed by the House of Representatives but not by the Senate, would allow mental health professionals and commanders to ask service members about their personal firearms if they have “reasonable grounds” to believe the person is at “high risk” of committing suicide or harming others.



Some military mental health specialists say the government should do much more than just amend the 2011 law. Dr. Elspeth Cameron Ritchie, a psychiatrist, retired colonel and former mental health adviser to the Army surgeon general, said the Pentagon should aggressively promote gun safety as well as consider making it harder for at-risk troops to buy ammunition and weapons at on-base gun stores.
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posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by Advantage

Mac, I think this might be a part of the confusion...

www.nytimes.com...


The new amendment, part of the defense authorization bill for 2013 that has been passed by the House of Representatives but not by the Senate, would allow mental health professionals and commanders to ask service members about their personal firearms if they have “reasonable grounds” to believe the person is at “high risk” of committing suicide or harming others.



Some military mental health specialists say the government should do much more than just amend the 2011 law. Dr. Elspeth Cameron Ritchie, a psychiatrist, retired colonel and former mental health adviser to the Army surgeon general, said the Pentagon should aggressively promote gun safety as well as consider making it harder for at-risk troops to buy ammunition and weapons at on-base gun stores.
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None of which will do anything to stop "at-risk" troops from doing either...suicide or harming others. Lets be real.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by Carreau
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Correct, when PCS'ing to a new Post soldiers are required to register all firearms with the Provost Marshall's Office regardless of rank or where they are going to live on or off Post.


In my 24 years in the military I only had to list by serial number all my weapons if I intended to take them overseas. They have to be listed on one's orders. I only took one handgun (for personal proficiency) and stored the rest in temp storage as I could not carry a weapon there anyway nor take it off post in the host nation.

Also, since I have more than I can possibly ever move in the car when moving CONUS they have to be inventoried and listed on the documents for the moving company for insurance and accountability purposes.

When I lived in the barracks (a loooooooong time ago) one could not store privately owned weapons in thier rooms they were kept in the arms room and within reason you could get them whenever you wanted. You didn't need approval they were yours just stored there for safety.

Latter when residing on post all weapons in the home were supposed to be reported to the PMO. I listed them all with my insurance company of course and listed a few with the PMO. In all the time I resided on post no one ever came to check the weapons - ever. This was primarily as I understood it so there was a list of all weapons on the post. It is after all a controlled access area.

Off post no one in the military ever asked about my weapons - ever. The State in which one resides has jurisdiction over everything off post.

For the guy who posted that off post residences are to be inspected as well; I have in 24 years only seen that happen once. Because the Soldier had a problem with the landlord making repairs. The Commander went to the trailer to inspect it for livability because the Soldier was (after the determination) to be moved at government expense because of the residence being unsuitable. This was of course all with the Soldier's consent.

If the military shows up at your off post residence you don't have to let them in at all. They are bound by law off post like anyone else is - without regard to their rank or position. They can request a warrant of course but they must like anyone show probable cause that you intend to harm yourself or another. They will show up with local LEO's as the military can't conduct a search of an off post house - ever.



posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 01:09 PM
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I agree. All this will do is allow people to "wash their hands" of an incident after the fact. It's all about covery your own backside these days. LTC Smith will now be able to say "we did everything we could to stop him/her, but they were hellbent on doing what they did". It also allows for further restrictions and possible confiscation ( but thats another thread).
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posted on Jan, 23 2013 @ 01:15 PM
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Its strange....but in this thread and the one running now about mental illness and personal weapon ownership....the talk keeps comming back around to how we are being bulls###ed.



posted on Jan, 27 2013 @ 10:40 AM
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I just found a bill that is up for consideration right now on this topic, here is the link: www.opencongress.org...





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