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Originally posted by Talliostro
reply to post by ColCurious
You and me don't have anything to gain from this, to be honest. Our social systems got run down in the last 10 years, our infrastructure is crumbling and we see poverty emerging more and more. Just look around you, there is something really wrong in Germany and noone bothers to stand up because everyone is saying "Oh hey, don't complain, just look how bad it is for XY. So hush and work on."
This attitude is getting us nowhere, noone except the politicans and already rich benefit from the massive succes of the german economy.
There is nothing to gain for the majority of the german people except getting poorer over the time.
seems like the same problems the UK has
Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by Talliostro
We are lead to believe in our "free" press that Germany is overwhelmingly in support of the European Union. Looks like we may be being lied to judging by our German friends responses in this thread, thank you for the education, looks like we are seeking the same goals.
Originally posted by SprocketUK
When the time comes they'll find some reason to say that a referendum isn't needed. Just like they did over maastricht. Anyone who thinks one of the big parties would risk the people voting to leave is sadly deluded.
Originally posted by tdk84
Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by Talliostro
We are lead to believe in our "free" press that Germany is overwhelmingly in support of the European Union. Looks like we may be being lied to judging by our German friends responses in this thread, thank you for the education, looks like we are seeking the same goals.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel wants fiscal restraint, they don't want growth financed by more debt. They think this can be achieved through a more united Europe tougher fiscal policies forced throughout.
The idea is actually quite sound and would work... but who wants to give up national powers.edit on 23-1-2013 by tdk84 because: (no reason given)
German Chancellor Angela Merkel wants fiscal restraint, they don't want growth financed by more debt. They think this can be achieved through a more united Europe tougher fiscal policies forced throughout.
Originally posted by HelenConway
plus who put Merkel in charge ?
Originally posted by Chrysalis
Even if there is a vote, what makes you think they'll respect the result ?
Just look at the last round of referendums in europe about the constitution...
Several countries voted NO (france, ireland, netherlands, greece) and they didn't give a damn.
Look at egypt, how many time it took to organise their second referendum on their consitution, something like 2 weeks.
And what did we get in return from the UK ? .... Baroness Ashton, well done you !edit on 23-1-2013 by Chrysalis because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Talliostro
reply to post by michael1983l
Oh I do like the idea behind the EU, don't get me wrong. I like to travel to other european countries unhindered, enjoying another culture and meeting other people. I like the general concept of the Schengen Treaty, prospering peace, trade and freedom throughout the EU.
What I don't like is the fact, that my tax used to paying debts and bills of other countries, while "my" country is crumbling and hollowed out around me for the benefit of someone else. And I don't like being ruled by someone I didn't vote for.
So I think, the german and british people have much more in common than we are told by the MSM.
Originally posted by michael1983l
Originally posted by Chrysalis
If we vote out of the EU and the Government refuse to abide by it, hopefully either the Queen will disolve the Government or the people will over throw them.
That 'aint gonna happen - she has done nothing whilst the country she inherited has changed beyond recognition. She is a patsy IMO [ sorry I am NOT a royalist ] not until we get an English monarch again.[ Scotland can have a Scottish monarch if they want ?]edit on 23-1-2013 by HelenConway because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by HelenConway
plus who put Merkel in charge ?
Originally posted by michael1983l
Originally posted by tdk84
Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by Talliostro
We are lead to believe in our "free" press that Germany is overwhelmingly in support of the European Union. Looks like we may be being lied to judging by our German friends responses in this thread, thank you for the education, looks like we are seeking the same goals.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel wants fiscal restraint, they don't want growth financed by more debt. They think this can be achieved through a more united Europe tougher fiscal policies forced throughout.
The idea is actually quite sound and would work... but who wants to give up national powers.edit on 23-1-2013 by tdk84 because: (no reason given)
You are totally missing the point about why we should be in/out of the EU. Economy is just a side show, this is all about Democracy and National Soverignty. We are an independant Britain, not a United State of Brussels, with Dictators making our rules.
I seem to remember the Netherlands had one, the people said NO to the EU...so they decided that wasn't the 'correct' answer and continued having a vote until they got the answer they wanted.
Pretty sure it was the NL..
Originally posted by HelenConway
It is a vicious circle - plus who put Merkel in charge ?
Shes not in charge, its just what she thinks would work... pretty much no one agrees... even France.