For or Against:Overpopulation is a myth

reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman


overpopulation is a real threat but we have not reached the carryng capacity if we were there there would be global starvation and disease as opposed to only some countries where it is caused by poverty,war,and lack of access to proprer technology

The problem isn't over population, the problem is over want, or greed.

In order for the resource allocation to remain as it is, with the haves having so much than yes their is to much population to maintain the status quo.

Dare I say a socialist outlook towards staple goods of basic survival would go a long way towards ensuring there was enough for the current population levels.

But that will never happen, too much greed.

reply to post by SinMaker

Some good points, but the inhabitants of the Easter Island were never extinct.
They met Captain Cook, and Rapa Nui culture survives today, even after very harsh slavery took many people in colonial times.
en.wikipedia.org...

As much as some historians point out that the islanders may well have been responsible for an ecological collapse, their ingenuity in farming and survival for so long is also amazing.
Western narrative likes to think that their world was in chaos upon "discovery", but it rather seems that they had adapted rather well to the landscape.

Pretty darn well said, right here.

A little harsh, but well said.

I fully support David Rockefeller, Bill Gates and Prince Charles...they may be the elite but at least they have a vision for humanity which they are willing to work towards.

They all understand the problem...the average person does not understand long term optimization, but only short term gain..we need to decrease the numbers of those people in a humane way. The Golden Billion should become the Golden 500 million in my view.

Of course, with falling sperm counts and increasing cancer rates depopulation is already happening at a massive rate. There WILL be a massive cancer epidemic in the near future as the bodies of the average people fall apart from their bad lifestyle choices. They will die off en-mass while surrendering their funds to the elite by paying for treatment.

The myth that we could feed everyone is also something that I feel I need to address. At the current time, we can only feed the majority of the population if we use so many chemicals to produce food for them that they inevitably end up dying from it - a futile endeavor.

Originally posted by QQXXw

Of course, with falling sperm counts and increasing cancer rates depopulation is already happening at a massive rate.

I don't necessarily disagree with your overall proposition. However, I would challenge your belief that a depopulation is already happening,

World population Source would indicate that the world population increases on average by over 180,000 people every day. The attached link, once opened, you just need to wait a few seconds for it to recalibrate, but it considers daily approximations of deaths and births. 2013 has already added more than 4 million people worldwide.
Link to World Population Meter

Like I said, I understand your view, just this one statement I felt needed reconsideration.

Peace!! ID

Originally posted by ItDepends

Originally posted by QQXXw

Of course, with falling sperm counts and increasing cancer rates depopulation is already happening at a massive rate.

I don't necessarily disagree with your overall proposition. However, I would challenge your belief that a depopulation is already happening,

World population Source would indicate that the world population increases on average by over 180,000 people every day. The attached link, once opened, you just need to wait a few seconds for it to recalibrate, but it considers daily approximations of deaths and births. 2013 has already added more than 4 million people worldwide.
Link to World Population Meter

Like I said, I understand your view, just this one statement I felt needed reconsideration.

Peace!! ID

I can understand your view about the current situation, it does appear that the population is growing, however, while the absolute population is growing, its rate of growth is severely declining.

Sperm count decrease is well documented.Take a look at the statistics for world birth rates by country. In every single country the birth rate has decreased over the last couple of decades, even undeveloped African countries have significantly decreased their birth rates..it really is interesting stuff.

Keep in mind that many of the charities in Africa and Asia are involved in depopulation under the guise of charity work ( I assume through compromising the immune system and decreasing fertility). Go to Africa yourself if you do not take my word for it and look at what some of the charity groups are up to, you will be both shocked and surprised and if you ask to many questions you will not be tolerated either by those so called charities. Africans love to line up for free vaccines and "medicine".. while the methods of depopulation may not appear to be working just yet,, in the next decade we certainly will start to see a fall in absolute population in all the regions of the world.

Obviously for us in the West, there are different methods of decreasing population (food, Cancer, Education, economic conditions) but no matter what the region is and what region specific methods are used, the depopulation is underway. The elite understand very well that depopulation only requires a steady decrease in birth rates from one generation to the next to reverse the trend and that is exactly what they are doing.





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Overpopulation - no. Resource distribution limitations - yes.

Two solutions to this
1) Let nature take its course in areas without proper resources to support the level of local population
2) Mitigate the distribution limits
a) Forcefully move the people to the cities and resource hubs
b) Invest in the creation of networked distribution systems to cover 100% of the population

Seems like TPTB are all in favor of #1.

Originally posted by kamebard
Overpopulation - no. Resource distribution limitations - yes.

Two solutions to this
1) Let nature take its course in areas without proper resources to support the level of local population
2) Mitigate the distribution limits
a) Forcefully move the people to the cities and resource hubs
b) Invest in the creation of networked distribution systems to cover 100% of the population

Seems like TPTB are all in favor of #1.

#2 has already been tried

#2 IS mass communism

reply to post by GrimReaper86

I don't need any calculations to see abundance everywhere. This planet is chock full of resources. There is no shortage. The shortage comes from greed, and greed alone.

The minute we start using things in a sustainable and economical manner, will be the minute life on this planet becomes much happier and fulfilled. People in third world countries will no longer be starving, for third world countries will no longer exist. We have the technology, right now, to have an abundance of whatever it is we need.

Have you ever heard of permaculture? There is a lot of ground breaking discovers yet to be made with this, many different techniques that could be used on a large scale. To be in balance with nature, to understand that nature provides for us, so we should not rape it.

Nature is abundance, and we are a child of nature. Nature will care for us, as long as we let it. Our current way of life destroys nature. We kill our own mother, and then wonder why we are alone. We are betraying nature, every single day. And one day, we will kill nature, and we this happens, we will be alone. there will be nothing to keep us alive, and it will be an extinction level event. The more we pollute the waters, and the air, and take every possible resource as a means to make money, which is only pieces of paper with a number on it, the more we dig our own graves.

This is a fact. It's not a myth or a story, or a fear tactic. We are playing with fire, and that fire is burning nature. With means its burning us. How can we live on a planet that is so beautiful, and not be completely in awe at its magnificence? Instead, we work a 9-5 job, eat fast food, get drunk, sleep, repeat. That is the life we imagined as a child full of awe and wonder? I don't think so. How many of you are living the life you dreamed when you were a kid. No child dreams of being rich, with a fancy car, and house. That is not the dream. A childs dream is full of excitement and adventure, with nature as the playground. Why else do children always want to go outside to play? Why else do children take so much joy in being outside with absolutely everything they do? And where did the children lose this dream? That is the key point, that is the turning point, and that is where we must recognize what is right and what is wrong. We must recognize the patterns that lead us away from the life we want to live, and the life we are forced to live. See through the illusion and suddenly the illusion disappears.

I am speaking of the development of the ego. Is it not obvious? Our entire way of life caters to our instant gratification of the ego. We must learn ego control, before it develops. That is essential. RIght now the world is run crazy by ego, the human race has a disease, and that disease is ego. The symptoms are attachment to material things, addiction to money, cravings for unnatural foods, and feelings of competition like you are entitled to things others are not. This brings us to judgements, and the battle of the egos begins. It is a perpetual problem that we don't even realize exists. We raise our children, using our egos... So they develop the same thing, the develop an ego, because they are told who they are supposed to be, rather than letting them find it out on their own. We are told to go to school, we are told to get a job, we are told to buy this, buy that, do this, do that, its socially normal. Don't try to stand out from the crowd, they'll just shun you, and ignore you, and you don't want that. Why not? Because if you go against what society tells you, you just might get a glimpse of the illusion of it all. You just might have a revelation that you are not your ego. Every great mind in the last 200 years knows this. They have all said it, and most of them have been assassinated because of it. Look at Martin Luther king, look at JFK, and so on it goes. The ego protects itself, even when you try to get past your own ego. It fills you with fear, fear that is an illusion. So that fear causes you to return to the normal way of life, and makes you believe that this is the only way to live.

But if you are brave enough, and courageous enough to cross that line, you will discover a new way to live, a way of life that is full of abundance and joy and freedom. The way we were meant to live. Its so obvious, its hidden in plain sight. Sadly, its going to take the collapse of the system, and probably a few nuclear bombs, and a massive reduction of the population to realize this. That is really a shame. We are weeks away from the economic collapse of the usa. Weeks. the signs are everywhere, its becoming more and more obvious by the day. We are going to get a rude wake up call,and I can only hope that people start seeing through this illusion. You are not your ego.This is not the only way to live.

reply to post by kamebard


I agree with your answer

The human population will NATURALLY level out if we truly become overpopulated. No vaccines needed.No sterilization needed. No bio-weapons needed.No drones needed.

Why are they not 100 billion cats and dogs?

Do you give contraceptives to cats and dogs if they overpopulate(more organisms than food source)? No.
Do you sterilize them? Yes. Why?
Because they will die(starve) if they get too populated.

Humans can produce enough food to feed the human population that it has(not counting random irregular famines and disasters). So that never happens.

We are not over-populated.

As others have said the problem is greed, corruption, mis allocation of resources etc.

The overpopulation agenda usually boils down to "stop the foreign poor breeding because i don't want to share or change".

We'll invent ways around our problems as and when it becomes essential to the people with the money and the ability.