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Originally posted by NarrowGate
Originally posted by LennayTheUndead
Originally posted by EL1A5
reply to post by EL1A5
As a veteran I was able to see how close someone could be as you watched their life drain from them. The feeling is that of shock. Now to think that someone carrying was near with weapon is free to be in shock. (my events were in Afghanistan and Iraq, I still was in shock until snapping out of it). Let us put the situation on our home turf where we should be comfortable and at ease? Should the affect of shock be considered in this situation? I believe so; let alone one of the main rules in shooting is to know what is behind your target.
I'm a veteran. You aren't telling me anything I don't know about. You are assuming anybody who was carrying would have had an opportunity to effect the situation....without considering that may not have been the case...I'm simply stating it's foolish to assume there "were no guns there" because nobody fired back...
Would you risk going to prison to shoot it out with the perpetrators? If they had guns, they weren't supposed to and knew it.
You have not seen combat, if you had you would know a thing or two about it. Assumption, I know. Still - you have displayed a lack of knowledge on the subject of gun play AKA combat.edit on 22-1-2013 by NarrowGate because: (no reason given)
the 'flat' comment was sarcasm, sorry you missed it.
common for ppl to get shot in gun-free zones ??? yes, it matters not which state.
you are free to think it but i firmly disagree.
unknown is just that, unknown.
it cannot be removed until it becomes 'known'.
so, good luck with that.
while this is a fantastic ideal ... The strong must look out for the weak, not the other way around. can you evidence this via the animal kingdom ??
and no, i'm not talking about cross-breed compassion, either.
obvious ?? no, it isn't.
in the wild, it is un-natural behavior.
perhaps you should be talking with different people ?
and, you're ignoring the impact of the 5th amendment, why ??
i'm all for the Golden Rule and its application, too bad the police don't agree.
It is most beneficial to everyone if we do not stab eachother in the back
the history of human
existence has proven quite the opposite.
Not saying that i support such behavior, but to deny its prevalence or existence is akin to inviting the Reaper to dinner.
Originally posted by LennayTheUndead
Originally posted by NarrowGate
Originally posted by LennayTheUndead
Originally posted by EL1A5
reply to post by EL1A5
As a veteran I was able to see how close someone could be as you watched their life drain from them. The feeling is that of shock. Now to think that someone carrying was near with weapon is free to be in shock. (my events were in Afghanistan and Iraq, I still was in shock until snapping out of it). Let us put the situation on our home turf where we should be comfortable and at ease? Should the affect of shock be considered in this situation? I believe so; let alone one of the main rules in shooting is to know what is behind your target.
I'm a veteran. You aren't telling me anything I don't know about. You are assuming anybody who was carrying would have had an opportunity to effect the situation....without considering that may not have been the case...I'm simply stating it's foolish to assume there "were no guns there" because nobody fired back...
Would you risk going to prison to shoot it out with the perpetrators? If they had guns, they weren't supposed to and knew it.
You have not seen combat, if you had you would know a thing or two about it. Assumption, I know. Still - you have displayed a lack of knowledge on the subject of gun play AKA combat.edit on 22-1-2013 by NarrowGate because: (no reason given)
I've seen plenty of combat. I spent 36 months doing combat logistics patrols throughout Iraq. Keep making assumptions. I guess I'm not sure if this is directed at me or not. If it is you are sorely mistaken and are apparently not picking up on what point it was that I was making. Just because law abiding gun owners carry guns in gun free zones, does not mean they are waiting for the opportunity to start shooting and be the hero, for the very reasons you and at least one other person in this thread have stated. Because they aren't supposed to have them there, and we know it. Now, if MY life was in jeopardy, and I was in that gun free zone, carrying my legally owned firearm (illegally, I'm aware of this), I most certainly would risk jail time to defend myself. I have a son. I didn't survive two tours of Iraq to be shot in a gun free zone while attending college courses or shopping in a mall.
deflect much ?
Exactly how bad of an area is it? Is it common for people to get shot there?
yes, i get that you believe this, why, i have no idea.
What I am saying is we can change the attitudes of society to remove the unkowns
what makes you think that day isn't upon us now ?
There will be a day when we only have to worry about crazy people doing stuff like this.
the 5th assures a person's right to 'remain silent' when questioned by any presumed authority.
What do you mean?
because it is our right to do so, period. (guaranteed under the 5th)
The problem is why do we apply this to economics and people being interrogated by police?
NO, the police are made 'crooked' by their own choosing.
The police are made crooked by the politicians
don't tell me, show me.
Complete nonsense.
as i said, history has proven this, why do you dispute my statement ??
80% of the world is suffering.
Nooooo kidding
When dealing with those who are not the golden rule types with one hand offer peace, but unknown to them keep a weapon at the ready.
you aren't close enough to any of the situations to make such a blanket determination.
The part people forget is to OFFER THE PEACE. It is not profitable in the short term, so they skip right to the weapons.
A second suspect has been charged in Tuesday's shooting at Lone Star College, an incident that apparently started when the man was bumped by someone.
Terry Foster, who was charged with aggravated assault Thursday morning, appears to have been the actual shooter not his 22-year-old companion, Carlton Berry, who was already charged in the shooting, according to court records.
Berry initially denied knowing anything about the shooting that erupted at the northwest Houston campus just after noon Tuesday. But Berry later told investigators that a student had bumped into Foster, 22, earlier in the day and it had escalated into an argument.
Berry told authorities that Foster said he was going to fight the man if he saw him again. When he saw the man again, another argument broke out and Foster began shooting, according to court records.
Caught in the crossfire was a maintenance man who was shot, as well as a student named Jody Neal. Both have been hospitalized and are expected to survive.
Police are seeking Foster. Berry, who remains hospitalized, is charged with aggravated assault.
www.chron.com...
Originally posted by NarrowGate
reply to post by roadgravel
I'm guessing he messed up on the draw considering he wasn't shot by anyone but himself. If he had been shot, the impact could have caused him to jerk down and shoot himself but this doesn't seem to be the case, causing me to believe he messed up the draw.
OR, it is possible his gun went off by accident and he thought he was being shot at, and proceeded to "return fire" but I do doubt this.edit on 23-1-2013 by NarrowGate because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 007Polytoks
reply to post by roadgravel
Seems to be a kind of JFK style "one shooter" explanation for all of these incidents.
Strange that the civilians always seem to witness multiple shooters, yet the police never investigate the second lead. Now there is always a chance that the witnesses simply misinterpreted what they saw, but one should follow the lead just in case. Tho I suppose it might cost some one their job to look to far into such things...
The 22-year-old originally arrested and charged in last week's shooting at a Lone Star College campus is asking for an apology from Harris County Sheriff Adrian Garcia.
Carlton Berry, who was shot in the incident, was cleared of two counts of aggravated assault charges and freed from jail Monday.
Berry at first told investigators that he knew nothing about the shooting, officials said, but after charges were filed he admitted he was at the scene and knew the gunman. Initially, two of the shooting victims pointed out Berry as the shooter, Garcia has said.
Ten shots were fired just after noon on Jan. 22 at the community college's North Harris campus. Berry, another student and a maintenance man at the college were wounded. The shooting stemmed from an argument between Foster and another student, Harris County investigators have said.
At the news conference, Berry said he has known Foster since high school and met up with him on campus that day. He said they were walking down the hallway, having a friendly conversation, when Foster and another man began arguing.
"The conflict became more than what we expected it to be and a lot of unexpected things happened," Berry said. "When the shooting happened, I don't even recall running. I blacked out and when I came to I could not move."
Investigators initially indicated Berry's gunshot was accidentally self-inflicted.
www.chron.com...