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posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:10 PM
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Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?

When Socrates and his friends were talking of voters, they were talking of land owners. In today’s terms, that means, ---- taxpayer. The core of democracy.

There are two types of citizens. The taxpayer and the taxtaker.

Once the taxpayer hands over his wealth, he loses control of where it is spent.

This is counter to the taxpayer’s wishes.

Why do taxpayers allow this situation and defer their right to spend their wealth to others?

If taxtakers had done a good job with that wealth, I do not think any would complain. That is not the case.

Should those who pay the way of our society be the ones who decide where our wealth is spent?

Since the right to do so is tied to our vote, should only taxpayers be allowed to vote on spending issues?

Regards
DL




posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:15 PM
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I earn under the amount needed in the UK to pay tax at the moment but still do a valid job looking after the old, I only work 30 per week due to evil bosses, so should I not be able to vote?
What about people in the same boat as me or are in a worse position? voting is the only way we can get our voice heard, so No everyone over the age of 18 should be able to vote.



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:16 PM
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Everybody is a tax payer in one way or another because you have tax on goods that you buy in the shops. But if you are talking solely about income based taxes then I would say that the answer would be no. Not everybody can work and not everybody who can work but doesn't have a job doesn't want to work. It would be going against the grain of democracy to start selecting which groups in society get the chance to vote or not.



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:18 PM
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Are we talking in the USA or worldwide?
It shouldnt matter either way, I draw VA disability and dont pay taxes, so I shouldnt be allowed to vote?



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:19 PM
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How much tax do we need to pay to vote then? Can i pay taxes one month, and then vote forever, or do i loose the right to vote, if i dont pay taxes in the month the vote take place??

Do i get the right to say i wont pay taxes, and i wont vote??

How about if you pay taxes, you get the right to see EXACTLY how every penny of it is spend??



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:20 PM
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How about if you pay taxes, you get the right to see EXACTLY how every penny of it is spend??


This hits the nail on the head!!!



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:25 PM
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This is a terrible idea, man, The whole point of a Democracy is to create a better life for the citizens in the country. The society you proposes basically allows corporations or the government to run regular citizens / people they don't like into the ground until they can't vote anymore.

Not only is this bad for a large percentage of the population, but it could result in instability.
edit on 22-1-2013 by darkbake because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Greatest I am
Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?

No.



When Socrates and his friends were talking of voters, they were talking of land owners. In today’s terms, that means, ---- taxpayer. The core of democracy.

Wrong. Apparently, you do not know what democracy is.



There are two types of citizens. The taxpayer and the taxtaker.

Wrong. A taxpayer is a taxtaker, and taxtaker is a taxpayer.



Once the taxpayer hands over his wealth, he loses control of where it is spent.

Wrong. The tax is not the person's wealth, that's the whole point.
And the taxpayer doesn't lose the control where it is being used as long as there is democracy.



This is counter to the taxpayer’s wishes.

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Why do taxpayers allow this situation and defer their right to spend their wealth to others?

Taxes allowed the taxpayer to gain the wealth. That's the whole point with taxes.



If taxtakers had done a good job with that wealth, I do not think any would complain. That is not the case.

In a democracy, one can be of any opinion about that. Also, i na democracy, things can be done if one is not happy.



Should those who pay the way of our society be the ones who decide where our wealth is spent?

No. That would not be a democracy.



Since the right to do so is tied to our vote, should only taxpayers be allowed to vote on spending issues?

No. That would not be a democracy.



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:27 PM
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Ok judging by the comments so far, I think this topic is offically done with


That was a resounding NO if you didn't catch it OP.



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:27 PM
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Wow. I love the way you took this argument on. Thanks.



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by HomerinNC
Are we talking in the USA or worldwide?
It shouldnt matter either way, I draw VA disability and dont pay taxes, so I shouldnt be allowed to vote?


I'd say anyone who has served in the military as in Rome would be a full citizen with voting rights...



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:30 PM
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I think the elitist that think only they know how to vote responsibly should be required to prove it with a test.

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posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:35 PM
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This argument reminds me of the debate where people called on Citizens with a certain IQ not to be allowed to vote. You either want a democracy or you don't, if you want a democracy, then every adult citizen must have the right to vote (aside from prisoners) and if you don't have this then it is not a democracy.



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:39 PM
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Absolutely... it is ridiculous that someone with no tax liability can vote for how my tax dollars are spent. The person offering up the most free stuff will always get elected.



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:42 PM
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Here's a graph to back up OP's case.




posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:44 PM
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Please explain Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush and Bush.

Alternatively, please explain Heath, Thatcher, Major and Cameron.



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
Absolutely... it is ridiculous that someone with no tax liability can vote for how my tax dollars are spent. The person offering up the most free stuff will always get elected.


Lets flip the coin on that, if nobody voted who had to rely on welfare at some point, then those that pay their taxes would just vote in somebody who doesn't pay welfare at all. You would be wise to realise that looking after the most vulnerable in society should be seen as an acheivement, not a drain on your spending money. Like in all things, a healthy balance is best, not an extreme of one view or another.



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:45 PM
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I dont think only tax payers should be able to vote no. This is like ownership of poor people. And that only leads to trouble. People should have a right to vote, no matter financial status, color or any of their differences. I think however that tax payers should get a greater say. If that makes sense. But only a minor greater say. Meaning, they should have a greater impact on govenment interms of what happens with their taxes. Otherwise I think everyone is equal to have a political view. And all views are valid.



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:46 PM
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I paid taxes for a lot of years. Now after getting epilepsy I am on DSS. Doesn't a person have a right to collect from the insurance he paid in for thirty years and still get to vote?



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
Absolutely... it is ridiculous that someone with no tax liability can vote for how my tax dollars are spent. The person offering up the most free stuff will always get elected.


As long as politicians exist you will never have a say in how the money they take from you is spent.

Maybe every January they make available a checklist to every person with a set amount to be spent and let that individual allot what they wish where they wish.

Even then politicking will manipulate those categories.

The moment that money is taken from you you lose control of it.

Oh, I know. Make perpetual phone calls and write never ending letters to suck up as much time and subsequently as much money as you possibly can.






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