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Originally posted by snarky412
Originally posted by Tw0Sides
reply to post by TrueAmerican
I can hardly wait till tomorrow, when an Unknown Source says Obama came from Outer Space, to eat us all.
Really, Have all you People lost your ability of Critical Thinking.
First of all, this is a conspiracy site.....
Second, this was placed in the skunk works, not breaking news, sooooo
Originally posted by thedigirati
I do not know how the current military is trained, however, when I was in the Marines, the biggest thing drilled into us was about the Mali Massacre. We recruits were told, unequivocally,"if you want to question a direct order, ask for it in writing",
reply to post by thedigirati
It's quite effective, I questioned orders I was given a few times in the Marines, so I would ask for them in writing, as to be clear of the orders intentions. Funny thing is, they never wrote them down, nor tried to force me to follow said orders.
92. ART. 92. FAILURE TO OBEY ORDER OR REGULATION
Any person subject to this chapter who--
(1) violates or fails to obey any lawful general order or regulation;
(2) having knowledge of any other lawful order issued by any member of the armed forces, which it is his duty to obey, fails to obey the order; or
(3) is derelict in the performance of his duties;
shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
/ex]Of course, one could whether the order is lawful. Case law is quite murky, although the Nuremberg trails set a precedent about the defense that I was "only following orders", when Nazis tried that defense.
I guess if I had been in that situation, I would have tried the same tactic you used, and if it worked, then great. If not, then who knows. In times of war, they may shoot you on the spot, and even if it is not legal, you're dead.I commend you for taking the tactic you took. It worked.
In today's environment, with POTUS issuing executive orders to kill American citizens, does any such order become "lawful". This is the quandary we are in today, with POTUS issuing these executive orders at will. In less "politically correct days", we would cal such a POTUS a DICTATOR.
Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by MajorKarma
That was a pretty good post, and one that I agree with in the main. The only part I take issue with is the notion that Lincoln ordered his troops to fire on fellow citizens. I don't know of any instance during the Civil War where that occurred, but it's entirely possible that it did happen at some point - Lincoln was no saint.
In the war itself, soldiers from the USA were fighting foreign soldiers - soldiers of the CSA. They were not US soldiers, they belonged to an entirely different country altogether, which separated and established itself with the secession and subsequent confederation of the seceeded states.
The US DID invade this foreign country, this country DID defend itself, and then was forcibly annexed into the US. There was military rule and martial law for years after that annexation, which rule was never formally ended. I know these things because I formerly lived in Military District 2 of the occupied territories. At present I believe I am in Military District 1 of the occupied territories. The civilian citizens of those territories suffered egregiously at the hands of the US military immediately after the invasion (and for years afterwards), not just the CSA soldiers.
As far as I know, the former soldiers of the CSA were all disenfranchised, none ever repatriated, and none were ever extended citizenship in the US. For example, former confederate soldiers were never allowed to vote in US elections or hold office in the occupied territories.
Something, perhaps, to keep in mind for the upcoming Civil War II.
ETA: The Emancipation Proclamation was Lincoln's attempt to write law for a foreign country, and held about as much legitimacy as Obama writing law concerning muslims in France if he were to attempt such a thing.
edit on 2013/1/23 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MajorKarma
my great grandfather twice removed ... also wrote that it was very dangerous to criticize Lincoln because he imprisoned elected officials and others long after the war for disagreeing with him.
And this my friend comes from a Former Marine Corp Officer.
Originally posted by 1/2 Nephilim
reply to post by nenothtu
If the current condition of living, this illusion of consumer based, work force driven freedom is as good as it will ever get then kill me now. I mean that in all serious, things have got to get better one day and I have to maintain faith in that or I don't see a point in continue'ing to live.
I will go to they're FEMA camp without a peep.. but when the time comes to revolt I will be alive to see it. I won't die on my doorstep, as many will, at the hands of a teenager who has been given the "authority" to dictate my freedom. I'm not a martyr and frankly all the talk of "i'll die fighting" before the fight has even begun is abit dissuading.
Originally posted by MajorKarma
You not only have your facts wrong and must be quoting one of those re-written history books the Carnegie Foundation paid for but you have given an excellent example of doublespeak.
Union troops did shoot and kill civilians and I know this because my great grandfather twice removed said they did. He also wrote that it was very dangerous to criticize Lincoln because he imprisoned elected officials and others long after the war for disagreeing with him. Moreover the crimes against the South before, during and after the war were has horrible as any done in modern history.
Nevertheless, I am not going to get copies of letters or argue this, you and those like you always believe what they like. And this my friend comes from a Former Marine Corp Officer.