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However on the other hand, if God does reveal His traits to you, then of course you know Him, you sought Him and He responded therefore proving His existence (in a way that others won't understand).
Because the only thing anyone can really know, is that there isn't anything you can know.
Originally posted by trysts
I totally agree. It's black or white on this issue. Either gods reveal themselves to you, or they don't exist, since there is just no reason to think "maybe", or, "I don't know". Are they there for you? Has something made you think they're there? What is it? For me, there are no gods. I am positive. For people who believe in gods, at least they are saying something. At least they have the guts to put their beliefs out there. Agnostics? They can't even admit that they're decisionless beings. They cover it up. Are they waiting for some revelation? Then they should put it out there that they believe in gods, and they're just waiting for them to reveal themselves.
Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by Cody618
Because the only thing anyone can really know, is that there isn't anything you can know.
How do you know that?
Originally posted by speeddr2000
First off the first Agnostic tribes believed in God and didn't believe in church that's why they where one of the first one's killed in the crusades. I am Agnostic i believe in a God i just don't believe whats written in the bible is truth. You can't prove either way that God exist nor doesn't exist so why argue and fight about its being nonsense.edit on 21-1-2013 by speeddr2000 because: Spelling
So if the existence of God is unknowable, how can you know that?
However on the other hand, if God does reveal His traits to you, then of course you know Him, you sought Him and He responded therefore proving His existence (in a way that others won't understand).
Admittedly, it's not a strong position
Originally posted by eight bits
adj
Admittedly, it's not a strong position
We'll see. Maybe.
How do you know that God has ever revealed himself to anybody? Isn't "in a way that others won't understand" your own claim that God is currently unknowable by some people? How can you know that?
I meant that in terms of "I've never met a militant agnostic."
Originally posted by Wonders
I definitely agree that God is knowable.
See my signature!
Hah, some people, "Oh I'm so wise because God is a stranger." Yeah, right.edit on 10/01/11 by Wonders because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by iwan2ski
Originally posted by Wonders
I definitely agree that God is knowable.
See my signature!
Hah, some people, "Oh I'm so wise because God is a stranger." Yeah, right.edit on 10/01/11 by Wonders because: (no reason given)
*Please do not consider this attack against what you wrote above, but rather a conversation about understanding.*
When you wrote,"I agree that God is knowable", are you indicating that you Know God?
If so, is this because you've personally seen, heard or witnessed God? If so, please tell me about that experience for that would be fascinating and worth a thread of it's own.
If not, is it because you can feel God's presence in your life? Or, is it because you know God through what you have read?
What I'm trying to understand is: What proof do you have to say you Know God or that God is Knowable?
I myself believe that God (the highest source of divine consciousness) exists, but cannot state that I Know God exists. I believe God blesses me, I believe I can feel God's presence in my life and I believe that God will one day reveal his true nature and glory to me when the time is right. But alas, I cannot say I Know what I believe is the truth.
Even if I were to hear, see or touch what has been presented to me as God, how do I know it's actually God or an imposter? I've heard that I would know and would be able to tell the difference, but so many before believed they knew and followed an imposter to their graves.
So in conclusion: Can God be knowable? I don't think so, because only God can know. Us humans are only capable of believing and that's all God has ever asked of us.
Sorry, that is a contradiction -- if you believe in God (any god,) you're not an Agnostic, you're a Theist.
Originally posted by xedocodex
reply to post by adjensen
Sorry, that is a contradiction -- if you believe in God (any god,) you're not an Agnostic, you're a Theist.
That is actually not true.
theist/atheist determines your belief in god
gnostic/agnostic determines if you claim knowledge about your belief