Godless mom strikes a chord with parents, page


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Topic started on 21-1-2013 @ 03:15 PM by captaintyinknots
This is a fantastic article, that really illustrates what atheists go through, almost daily. I would personally be INFURIATED if I chose to raise my child atheist, and was treated like this:
Deborah Mitchell remembers the time, when her boys were younger, and another mom asked her about her religious beliefs. Mitchell was raised Catholic but moved away from religion in her early 20s. She told the other mother that she didn’t go to church and didn’t even really believe in God. Then, she says, the recruiting started. “She used to call my house and tell me she was praying for me. She’d leave me messages and leave cards in my mailbox with scripture,” Mitchell says. “I do realize that she meant well, but at the same time, I know my views were seen as wrong. I needed to be ‘saved.’”


And I may well go to fisticuffs if someone thought it was THEIR place to tell my child they need religion, like this:
Then there are the comments from strangers. Last year, Phillips said she and her daughter were at a birthday party when a tornado warning sounded. “We were all in the basement keeping safe. A little girl was saying baby Jesus will keep us safe. My daughter asked who Jesus was. The rest of the time was spent hearing ‘I'll pray for you sweetie, we can take you to church with us if you want,’” Phillips told CNN.


In the end, this mother puts it VERY well. I think this last quote is something that a lot of people REALLY need to let sink in...

I understand why people need God. I understand why people need heaven. It is terrifying to think that we are all alone in this universe, that one day we—along with the children we love so much—will cease to exist. The idea of God and an afterlife gives many of us structure, community and hope. I do not want religion to go away. I only want religion to be kept at home or in church where it belongs. It’s a personal effect, like a toothbrush or a pair of shoes. It’s not something to be used or worn by strangers. I want my children to be free not to believe and to know that our schools and our government will make decisions based on what is logical, just and fair—not on what they believe an imaginary God wants.


religion.blogs.cnn.com...


reply posted on 21-1-2013 @ 04:25 PM by NewAgeMan
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I think it's better for atheist parents not to project their own beliefs upon their own children, and instead remain neutral and allow their children to freely choose for themselves what to believe or not to believe and if there IS a God, wouldn't they be doing their own children quite the disservice to so bias them so as to exclude faith in God as a possibility.


reply posted on 21-1-2013 @ 04:31 PM by facelift
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right when this woman starting to speak like she was the spokesman for all humanity, she started to do the same thing she accused the other mom of doing, preaching her beliefs.

she was probably oblivious to her hypocrisy.






Ignorant you are...she was approached with the question.


there is no way this woman can claim that heaven doesn't exist. she probably doesn't even know how to change a tire.


Between the self righteousness and the sexism, you suck...





reply posted on 21-1-2013 @ 04:34 PM by Shark_Feeder
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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post by captaintyinknots


I think it's better for atheist parents not to project their own beliefs upon their own children, and instead remain neutral and allow their children to freely choose for themselves what to believe or not to believe and if there IS a God, wouldn't they be doing their own children quite the disservice to so bias them so as to exclude faith in God as a possibility.


Would this also not apply to those religious families that try to force beliefs on their kids?

If you are holding up the bible as a possible truth do you then expose them to all religions of the human race? What about explaining all of the scientific data that we know to be true, and all the religious BS we know to be false?

Truth is far more profound than faith.

I think you are playing favorites...


reply posted on 21-1-2013 @ 04:54 PM by captaintyinknots
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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post by captaintyinknots


I think it's better for atheist parents not to project their own beliefs upon their own children, and instead remain neutral and allow their children to freely choose for themselves what to believe or not to believe and if there IS a God, wouldn't they be doing their own children quite the disservice to so bias them so as to exclude faith in God as a possibility.


Out of curiosity, do you feel the same way about christian parents? Or muslim parents? D you think they shouldnt push those beliefs on their kids?



reply posted on 21-1-2013 @ 05:16 PM by captaintyinknots
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Sorry, did a search and didnt see it. Maybe you should just point out the fact that it is a duplicate, instead of coming in and whining....just a thought.


reply posted on 21-1-2013 @ 05:19 PM by NewAgeMan
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Yes, they should not push it, no.

Absolute love is absolute acceptance, and while we are charged with the responsibility to guide our children, they must be free to choose their own spiritual path. If Christ performed his Great Work for anything it was to secure our Liberty via absolute forgiveness.

To be taught of a loving God, as evidenced by the creation and our own inclusion, isn't harmful. But to be taught that we live in a Godless, and purposeless and meaningless universe, alone in a material world might not be so helpful if it's not based in reality whereby love is the reason for creation.

To push an anti-God bias on one's children is I don't know, but there's something abhorrent about it, to project onto them like that, when the truth is that we don't know the whole truth and where "God" might involve such things like our own spiritual growth and evolution as created beings.


reply posted on 21-1-2013 @ 05:22 PM by captaintyinknots
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We dont know if there is a "god' at all. Its no more wrong to push religious beliefs on kids than it is to push the idea that there is no god.

To say otherwise is truly hypocritical, and a fine example of the EXACT point of this article. Atheists are expected to not speak about the fact that they are atheists, even to their own children. But if you believe in god, then its all good to not only push it onto your own kids, but others' kids also.


reply posted on 21-1-2013 @ 05:29 PM by grainofsand
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
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post by NewAgeMan



We dont know if there is a "god' at all. Its no more wrong to push religious beliefs on kids than it is to push the idea that there is no god.

To say otherwise is truly hypocritical, and a fine example of the EXACT point of this article. Atheists are expected to not speak about the fact that they are atheists, even to their own children. But if you believe in god, then its all good to not only push it onto your own kids, but others' kids also.


I agree.
I recently created a related thread where I am soon to sell myself out and choose the religious oath as a witness in a criminal court instead of the non religious affirmation option. I often chuckle when I hear the zealots screaming persecution...it's a two way street in my experience.


reply posted on 21-1-2013 @ 05:39 PM by DontTreadOnMe
Posted earlier here
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Please add further comments to the ongoing discussion in the above linked thread.
Thanks



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