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Is the Virgin Mary the same as the Holy Ghost?

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 11:23 AM
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You know...

The way the Catholics worship the Virgin Mary makes you wonder if the real Trinity that they worship isn't in fact the Father, the Son, and the Virgin Mary...

Is the Virgin Mary the same as the Holy Ghost?

What you think?




posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 11:24 AM
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Ya, Imaginary.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by imawlinn
Ya, Imaginary.




Imaginary or not, that doesn't come to the case

Philosophically and theologically speaking, is the Virgin Mary the same as the Holy Ghost?



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 11:31 AM
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I believe so.

There is a lot more to this, Google it.

But yes, in essence, it appears to be the case.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 11:33 AM
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Yup. The same as Kundalini too.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by GLontra
You know...

The way the Catholics worship the Virgin Mary makes you wonder if the real Trinity that they worship isn't in fact the Father, the Son, and the Virgin Mary...

Catholics do not worship Mary, they venerate her (along with a large group of saints.)


Is the Virgin Mary the same as the Holy Ghost?

Of course not, what possible evidence is there for that?


Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me. (Psalm 51:11 NIV)

The Holy Spirit existed centuries before Mary was born, and came to the Apostles at Pentecost (see Acts 2), while she was still alive, so how could they be the same?



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 11:58 AM
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From a more orthodox Christian perspective, no, they are not the same.

Mainly, because Mary is a female, and the Holy Spirit is referred to in the masculine.
John 14:16

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


Mary is never likened to the Holy Spirit in the bible. She is Jesus's birth mother. That's it. Most protestant Christians consider worship and prayer to Mary, blasphemy and idolatry.
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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:02 PM
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Your question is: "Is the Virgin Mary the same as the Holy Ghost?"

I was raised in the Catholic religion and was sent to private Catholic schools for 12 years; and during those years I had to take religion classes.

The answer to your question is (no) the Virgin Mary is not the same as the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is considered part of the (trinity)...the three pars of God...the Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen

Catholics do not worship Mary, they venerate her (along with a large group of saints.)



The way most Catholics refer to the Virgin Mary clearly indicate that they worship her.

Many Catholics give more importance to the Virgin Mary than they give to Jesus.

I wonder if, in essence, the Catholic Church does not consider the Virgin Mary of the "apparitions" (and not the physical Virgin Mary from 2000 years ago) to be a manifestation of the Holy Ghost...



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by GLontra

Originally posted by adjensen

Catholics do not worship Mary, they venerate her (along with a large group of saints.)


The way most Catholics refer to the Virgin Mary clearly indicate that they worship her.

Either you don't understand the difference between "worship" and "veneration" or you hang around some pretty weird Catholics.

Intercessory prayers (such as the "Hail Mary") are not worship, they're merely a form of communication by which a person asks another person to pray for them.


I wonder if, in essence, the Catholic Church does not consider the Virgin Mary of the "apparitions" (and not the physical Virgin Mary from 2000 years ago) to be a manifestation of the Holy Ghost...

No, they do not.

For those who believe in such apparitions (and I am not one of them,) they are viewed as the miraculous appearance of that person, not a "stand in".



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:13 PM
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There are many "Our Ladies" in the Catholic Church, associated to different "apparitions":


- Our Lady of Lourdes

- Our Lady of Guadalupe

- Our Lady of Fatima



among others...


Maybe the Catholic Church consider those to be manifestations of the Holy Ghost, even if they are not very clear about it...



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:16 PM
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Look at the "Hail Mary" prayer:


"Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners..."


Wow... "mother of God"... How similar is that to the Egyptian and Babylonian "Trinities"?

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by GLontra
Maybe the Catholic Church consider those to be manifestations of the Holy Ghost, even if they are not very clear about it...

No, they do not.


Originally posted by GLontra
Look at the "Hail Mary" prayer;


"Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners..."


Wow... "mother of God"...

If you believe that Jesus is God (as every Christian does,) then Mary, as the mother of Jesus, is technically the "mother of God". That doesn't mean that she preceded him, or that she's better than him or anything like that, it's just the biological fact of the matter.

What's with the obsession with Mary?



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by GLontra
Look at the "Hail Mary" prayer;


"Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners..."


Wow... "mother of God"... How similar is that to the Egyptian and Babylonian "Trinities"?



edit on 21-1-2013 by GLontra because: (no reason given)


Yeah, only a Goddess can be the mother of a God.

There are countless manifestations of the sacred feminine archetype. The Virgin Mary is one of them.

Partiarchal dogma notwithstanding, the symbolism of the Holy Spirit is feminine.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by BlueMule

Originally posted by GLontra
Look at the "Hail Mary" prayer;


"Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners..."


Wow... "mother of God"... How similar is that to the Egyptian and Babylonian "Trinities"?



edit on 21-1-2013 by GLontra because: (no reason given)


Yeah, only a Goddess can be the mother of a God.

There are countless manifestations of the sacred feminine archetype. The Virgin Mary is one of them.

Partiarchal dogma notwithstanding, the symbolism of the Holy Spirit is feminine.





That's exactly my point.

Even if the Catholic Church is not clear about it, but it clearly seems that they "borrowed" the concept of the Trinity from the Egyptian and Babylonian trinities, with a Father god, a Mother goddess and a Son god.

The Mother goddess was initially replaced by the "Holy Ghost", but, with time, the Catholic Church turned the "Holy Ghost" into a more a more secondary character, and replaced it with the worship of "Our Lady".

Today, many Catholics (specially in countries with a Catholic majority, like Mexico) are not very familiar with what this "Holy Ghost" really is, but are very familiar with the worship of "Our Lady".

The Catholic Church did a gradual process of "restoring" the original Egyptian and Babylonian trinities, with a "Mother of God"... They did it by replacing the Holy Ghost by the Virgin Mary, or by mixing both concepts in a blurry way...

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:34 PM
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No, the Trinity is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit which binds them....the Holy Ghost or Spirit is not Mary, the mother of Jesus.
edit on 21-1-2013 by CosmicCitizen because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen


What's with the obsession with Mary?


That's what I wanna ask the Catholics. They should not pray to any man or woman saint or other wise.. even Jesus said to pray to his Father, or the Holy Ghost not to him. If you pray to a man, that is idolatry. Praying to Mary and the saints certainly is idolatry.

BTW, Jesus was NOT, Never has been, God. Mary could not be called a mother of God even if she was Jesus's mother. The Catholics and there for all protestants who came from the Reformation of the Catholic Church takes these scriptures out of context. Ask any true orthodox Christian, Jesus is nor God. Jesus was Gods son, and fully a man, human to the very core. He only did the things he did by the grace of God the Father. Catholics have to make believe Jesus is God to attribute to him the saving us from our sins because "only a god can do that". Hogwash. God has the ability to use any man, such as Jesus to do his work.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
No, the Trinity is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit which binds them....the Holy Ghost or Spirit is not Mary, the mother of Jesus.
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But maybe that's not how the Pope REALLY thinks...



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by GLontra
The Mother goddess was initially replaced by the "Holy Ghost", but, with time, the Catholic Church turned the "Holy Ghost" into a more a more secondary character, and replaced it with the worship of "Our Lady".

Your theory only works by grossly misrepresenting what the church teaches, what people believe, and recorded history. Among the Trinity, only Jesus has gender -- the other two are referred to as males because of the patriarchal society of the Jews, but neither has a gender.

Mary is not the Holy Spirit, has never been treated as such by anyone and the church does not teach, and has never taught, that she is to be worshipped.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by GLontra
The Mother goddess was initially replaced by the "Holy Ghost", but, with time, the Catholic Church turned the "Holy Ghost" into a more a more secondary character, and replaced it with the worship of "Our Lady".

Your theory only works by grossly misrepresenting what the church teaches, what people believe, and recorded history. Among the Trinity, only Jesus has gender -- the other two are referred to as males because of the patriarchal society of the Jews, but neither has a gender.

Mary is not the Holy Spirit, has never been treated as such by anyone and the church does not teach, and has never taught, that she is to be worshipped.



How many Mexican Catholics do you know?





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