Bill O'Reilly: The Dollar Will Collapse

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 08:41 PM
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What a joke is this O'Reilly character. No mention of the Republicans refusal to roll back their tax cuts, their corporate tax cuts, or their corporate subsidies. And of course cutting military spending is off the table. These things must be continued at all costs, even if it means bringing down the country.

Nope. It is all Obama's fault for not cutting spending, don't you know.

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 08:54 PM
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Yes he is a narcissistic idiot, but that's not really the point. The point is that the MSM audience might start getting involved with the conversation of the worthless dollar. I suggest not buying in to the pointing fingers game.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by WeRpeons
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Remember when Obama was running the first time what he was saying about WAR. Do you also remember the patriot act. What about keeping wall street out of the white house.


What does that have to do with who authorizes spending programs? My thread has nothing to do with Obama's election promises. We can save that for another thread. My main point of the OP is congress is the only one responsible for writing the checks not the president.

You can complain about Obama Care, gun control, the war in Afghanistan, the patriot act, but your elected officials are the people who sign-off on these programs whether your like it or not. They control the check book, not the president.


All true but he also had both houses of congress for two years and still to this day, has said he will continue down the same road we've been on. So change? Not really. As I said, both parties are the same and are stealing our eyeteeth.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by TheComte
What a joke is this O'Reilly character. No mention of the Republicans refusal to roll back their tax cuts, their corporate tax cuts, or their corporate subsidies. And of course cutting military spending is off the table. These things must be continued at all costs, even if it means bringing down the country.

Nope. It is all Obama's fault for not cutting spending, don't you know.

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Maybe as commander in chief he should pull our troops and bring them home. How's that for a start to cutting spending? How about stopping the drone strikes that just incite more violence against US interests?



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 09:08 PM
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The sad thing is that the vast majority of people watching his show are hearing that for the first time, or at least it will be the first time they somewhat pay attention. People like me, and I would imagine a good amount of ATSers are well aware of it. That being the case I will continue to hoard food, water filtration, solar generators and solar panels, guns, ammo, and silver, among many other things. You would be wise to do the same.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 09:22 PM
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Somebody ring the bell on gold

Top!!!!



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 09:46 PM
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So what, The politcal world seems so distant from reality. It's a sado masochist fantasy, with doomsdays dreaders and dooms day lovers and control me some more fetishes, and i'd die for this or that rhetoric. Whatever let it burn, if the dollar fails and they take the guns and power vaccums fill. I can say this they may take your gun but there not taking mine; i have been free before the dollar's chrisis, and i assure you ill be free after.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 10:58 PM
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Thanks O'riled up, but Ron Paul was saying this before 2002, hell the reason he got involved in politics was because of the fed, inflation and a devaluation of our dollar.

Never ending debt and a budget that will never be balanced can only mean one thing, does it really take a genius to figure this out?



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 11:10 PM
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Some poor countries have had their debts written off before by wealthy countries. Maybe portions of America's debts will be written off by grateful nations in Europe who were bailed out by America after WW2.

Maybe China will request a more open door immigration policy for Chinese immigrants into the US in exchange for a write down of debt. It wouldn't necessarily have to be an onerous burden of newcomers, like 200 or 300 million. It could be maybe only 50 million or so.

Canada will not stand by and see Americans go hungry. We grow more food than we can eat and would gladly share. I would hate to see Canada trying to profiteer on America's financial embarassment, but it would be nice if America would acknowledge that the Northwest Passage is Canadian territorial water. (It is.)

I hate to say it but an economic downturn in the US could very well represent a big opportunity for the narcotics trade. Drug lords in Mexico could well be unwilling to accept lower profits and anticipating an increase in the numbers of Americans who would rather get high than face reality, they could increase shipments to the US in order to make up in numbers what a drop in price might cost them in a depressed economic situation.

I hope that serious budgetary reallocations take place in the US. It is important that job and industry outsourcing be curtailed too. I hate to think of the acrimony that will develop if O'Reilly's worst case scenario happens. It's not going to be pretty.
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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 11:28 PM
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Repubs and Dems are both stupid. Reagan had a much bigger spending plan (not based on dollars but %'s) than Obama.

Either way...were screwed.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 11:38 PM
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One of the real problems of America's excessive military spending is that in a time of financial hardship pressure will build for America to reallocate money spent on the military to other spending projects like refurbishing the national infrastructure, etc. Webster Tarpley often mentions this as a course that would help to get Americia out of its problems. Like the "New Deal" all over again.

The problem is that history doesn't repeat itself exactly. In our era, as we get closer to the new feudalism and the birth of the American serf class, instead of shifting spending from the military to other projects, it appears as if the money will continue to be spent on the military, but within America as opposed to overseas countries.

The Military Industrial Complex is a cat that has yet to be belled.

There are signs that the government is preparing for the military occupation of America. That will be the new "New Deal". Let's call it the "Raw Deal".

I wish this were not true, but there are lots of signs of it.
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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 11:41 PM
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OK, so the US$ will collapse.

What does that mean? That there will be a hyperinflation domestically or that it will lose its value against other currencies? While the former will necessarily lead to the latter, the reverse is not true. A collapse of the US$ in international currency markets is not necessarily a bad thing, if not also associated with a domestic hyperinflation. It can lead to increase in US exports and fall in imports, spurring domestic economic growth.

However the likely scenario seems to be a domestic hyperinflation caused by monetising debt. When there are no takers for the new debt that the government looks for or old debt that needs to be rolled over, the Federal Reserve will end up buying it leading to introduction of new money into the system and consequent inflation.

The funny thing is this could have happened any time in the last four years, yet it didn't happen. The government has been able to successfully roll over old debts and make new debt. True the Federal Reserve has been introducing more money into the system through QE, but that doesn't seem to have caused the expected inflation which would have led to bond sell off and even more money into the system if the Federal Reserve ends up buying those bonds. It seems none of the bond holders want to precipitate the crisis by being the first to offload a major share of their bondholdings. So there is only one who can precipitate the collapse, the Federal Government, by attempting to raise debt for which there are no takers.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 11:45 PM
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Originally posted by ipsedixit
Some poor countries have had their debts written off before by wealthy countries. Maybe portions of America's debts will be written off by grateful nations in Europe who were bailed out by America after WW2.

Maybe China will request a more open door immigration policy for Chinese immigrants into the US in exchange for a write down of debt. It wouldn't necessarily have to be an onerous burden of newcomers, like 200 or 300 million. It could be maybe only 50 million or so.

Canada will not stand by and see Americans go hungry. We grow more food than we can eat and would gladly share. I would hate to see Canada trying to profiteer on America's financial embarassment, but it would be nice if America would acknowledge that the Northwest Passage is Canadian territorial water. (It is.)

I hate to say it but an economic downturn in the US could very well represent a big opportunity for the narcotics trade. Drug lords in Mexico could well be unwilling to accept lower profits and anticipating an increase in the numbers of Americans who would rather get high than face reality, they could increase shipments to the US in order to make up in numbers what a drop in price might cost them in a depressed economic situation.

I hope that serious budgetary reallocations take place in the US. It is important that job and industry outsourcing be curtailed too. I hate to think of the acrimony that will develop if O'Reilly's worst case scenario happens. It's not going to be pretty.
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Europe is in just as bad of shape as the US, they are completely broke and are going into depression themselves, they have no money to bail themselves out let alone the US. Canada when the rest of the industrialized worlds economies collapse is going to have enough problems of it's own to deal with.

More than half the federal debt is owed to US citizens. Writing it off means writing off social security and medicare benefits. It also means bankrupting many companies, and destroying almost all private pensions and retirement plans. Instant depression and possible civil war.

Cancelling our debt with any outside nation means our ability to borrow a penny goes poof. It also would cause interest rates on any non cancelled debt to skyrocket. Instant depression.

There is no cute way out.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 11:47 PM
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I think China might well say to the United States.

"Look, you've had your spending spree. You've conquered the Middle East. If you give us a break in Africa, we will find ways to ease you back into financial responsibility. Stop acting like farmboys liquored up on a Saturday night. The party's over. We like you. We want to be friends, but you have to get real. We can't continue to finance American mayhem. Get real. Make real deals and stop running amuck."

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by eLPresidente
Thanks O'riled up, but Ron Paul was saying this before 2002[...]

I remember the German wise men panel of economic experts already warned about lacking fiscal consolidation within the western world and the threat of a weakening single reserve currency system (petro-dollar!!!) at the turn of the millennium.

Then again, why listen to ze Germans? They are just a bunch of stupid socialists anyways...



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:01 AM
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I think the game of Chess is the real game.

But the question remains, who plays the best game??

Russia?? China?? or the US??

I think the game was between the US and Russia for many of years but when China finally got off the Peyote they have now figured it out (after Japan and Germany).

Ohhh, but wait. Does the game only consist of Nations or Money?? What is the actual game or does it matter either way??



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by Observor
OK, so the US$ will collapse.

What does that mean? That there will be a hyperinflation domestically or that it will lose its value against other currencies? While the former will necessarily lead to the latter, the reverse is not true. A collapse of the US$ in international currency markets is not necessarily a bad thing, if not also associated with a domestic hyperinflation. It can lead to increase in US exports and fall in imports, spurring domestic economic growth.

However the likely scenario seems to be a domestic hyperinflation caused by monetising debt. When there are no takers for the new debt that the government looks for or old debt that needs to be rolled over, the Federal Reserve will end up buying it leading to introduction of new money into the system and consequent inflation.

The funny thing is this could have happened any time in the last four years, yet it didn't happen. The government has been able to successfully roll over old debts and make new debt. True the Federal Reserve has been introducing more money into the system through QE, but that doesn't seem to have caused the expected inflation which would have led to bond sell off and even more money into the system if the Federal Reserve ends up buying those bonds. It seems none of the bond holders want to precipitate the crisis by being the first to offload a major share of their bondholdings. So there is only one who can precipitate the collapse, the Federal Government, by attempting to raise debt for which there are no takers.

There really is almost no buyers for the debt at these rates as it is. That is why the fed is buying 75% currently.
They have only gotten away with it so far due to them buying up total garbage and claiming they are assets at prices far higher than they are worth. So far the market has let them slide because at the moment it is in the markets best interest too, why because the main market forces are the very banks who are unloading their garbage on the fed. Problem is the junk loans are mostly purchased now and the fed is soon going to run out of bank "Assets" to buy.

Even if the fed continues to play this game successfully, other factors could very well start the dominos of an economic collapse. Several European nations interest rates, large bank failures, Japan economic collapse, war, any one of these could be the trigger that snaps the market into to dealing with reality. Basically the financial system is in a delusion that everything is ok, any of these events will force the truth to be acknowledged globally.

The fed is not all powerful, it will not be able to keep all the plates spinning, it's just a question of when the first one falls, not if.



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:10 AM
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Please check the following links to know who holds most US debt.

Who owns most of the US debt

MAJOR FOREIGN HOLDERS OF TREASURY SECURITIES

If Japan forgives the US debt, its economy may collapse instantly, because the Japanese government itself has huge public debt, its debt to GDP ratio being worse than the US'.

China could perhaps forgive the debt, but would definitely expect something for it. Given that the US prevented China from buying assets in the US with its US currency holdings, not sure why China would want to forgive the debt.

Federal Reserve doesn't need to be repaid, so that doesn't matter.

But expecting other agencies, like Social Security, IRAs etc, holding the US debt to forgive the debt would be asking them to renege on their promises.

In any case, it is not the existing debt that is the problem, nor is servicing the debt (the rates of return on those bonds are significant but not critical). It is the need to make new debt.

Do you expect the current creditors to write the current debts off and lend more money?



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:19 AM
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I never thought I'd say this, but Bill O'Reilly is spot on. The Conservative media is starting to understand what the Liberals are doing and they know they're stuck on the same sinking ship. Make no mistake, Fox News still has it's agenda. But what we're starting to see is a real push towards truth that wasn't there even 6 months ago.

All you Conservative Republicans out there need to understand what YOU helped to put in place. Ron Paul could have won. You chose to run (and vote for) a political dead horse. All you Liberals out there that think Obama is the second coming of Christ, or racists that only voted for him because he's black, stop pushing your socialist welfare state on the rest of us.

We the people are to blame... and it's time we accept that and stop doing what put us in this position to begin with.
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posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by ipsedixit
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I think China might well say to the United States.

"Look, you've had your spending spree. You've conquered the Middle East. If you give us a break in Africa, we will find ways to ease you back into financial responsibility. Stop acting like farmboys liquored up on a Saturday night. The party's over. We like you. We want to be friends, but you have to get real. We can't continue to finance American mayhem. Get real. Make real deals and stop running amuck."

China's ability to further finance US government is well below the needs of the US government. Most of their trade surplus is already invested in the US treasury bonds.





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