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“How does anyone getting married affect you in any way? Whether they be straight, gay, transgender, or whatever. It does not. Same with what people wear or do in public”
Originally posted by Beowolfs
reply to post by DarthOej
So, your belief is… As long as is doesn’t affect you, they can engage in any act so long as they’re not harming any one. Yes indeed let us look the other way and pretend all it well with our morals in society.
Nice to see you don’t have any problems with guys walking around with their underwear completely visible for the public to see. I assume half naked or fully naked men walking around in San Francisco promoting gay pride is cool too! Buddy I’m glad your reasoning is not the de-facto standard. [quote]
I actually think sagging is an ugly style. I laugh when I see people walking around, having to waddle because they can't move their legs properly. It looks like they may have pooped in their pants. One guy in his 20's had SpongeBob boxer shorts on. As for naked people, I do not see what is so obscene or offensive about the human body. As long as they are not acting in an unwanted sexual fashion towards other people, why not let them express themselves. There are muscles in my eyes that allow me to direct my vision away from things that I do not want to see. If I see something I do not like, that is the route I usually take. You are glad that allowing people to do as the wish without harming others in not the standard? What type of world do you want to live in?
Let me give you some food for thought. “For to be free is not merely to cast off one’s chains, but to live in a way that respects the freedom of others.” Nelson Mandela
You are free to do as you please up until your rights infringes upon others.
As for gay marriage… I don’t have a problem with that.
edit on 23-1-2013 by DarthOej because: (no reason given)
I do not see what is so obscene or offensive about the human body. As long as they are not acting in an unwanted sexual fashion towards other people, why not let them express themselves.
Originally posted by chrismarco
This is a real head scratcher...as posted on Yahoo news Russia is making it more difficult for gay individuals to either come out or show their affection in public...
MOSCOW - Kissing his boyfriend during a protest in front of Russia's parliament earned Pavel Samburov 30 hours of detention and the equivalent of a $16 fine on a charge of "hooliganism." But if a bill that comes up for a first vote later this month becomes law, such a public kiss could be defined as illegal "homosexual propaganda" and bring a fine of up to $16,000.
Levada polls conducted last year show that almost two thirds of Russians find homosexuality "morally unacceptable and worth condemning." About half are against gay rallies and same-sex marriage; almost a third think homosexuality is the result of "a sickness or a psychological trauma," the Levada surveys show.
In the grand scheme of things we are not that advanced as a country when you look at when we started to accept homosexuality into the mainstream..I'm thinking maybe ten years ago that it really started to be accepted in the workplace and as far as the treatment of blacks in America that has picked up over the last thirty years..that's not including the start of the black movment but what I percieve to be when black americans started to get some movment around earning decent wages in this country...that is not fact but my opinion being 40 someting...but back to the main topic at hand...can't imagine getting fined for kissing someone I love or otherwise...
Originally posted by omass
Well....I haven't read everything yet and this is sort of old but I know one thing. I know alot of Russians and simply making a gay joke CAN actually getten you beaten up, and the cops will just laugh it off. Honest. I'm not gay but this is how it is. Just saying.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
Originally posted by DarknStormy
What dont homosexuals get that everyone else does apart from marriage?
There have been many answers already in the thread. I guess you haven't been following?
Here is one of many. In Russia they discriminate (rather harshly) against homosexuals kissing in public.
But you will of course have to specify a country for an appropriate response.
Russia discriminates against homosexuals kissing in public? It is not discrimination. It may seem like discrimination to those looking in from the outside, but to Russians it is abhorrent, and not just the older generation.
Russia is not the barbaric country the LGBT community thinks it is. For example, it is illegal to drive with any amount of alcohol in your system. Gun control is very good too, unlike America, but not as strict as the UK.
The idea of boycotting an international event such as Sochi 2014 because Russia introduced laws to protect the traditional family unit is absolutely ridiculous. I said previously that Russia is not Europe. It is not the US. It is not anything except Russia. You don't live here. You don't understand. Simple. We in the so-called 'West' could learn so feckin' much from the Russians in terms of morality and manners, not to mention why their level of violent crime is low compared to the UK and US. This is something we have lost along the way. I came here for three months just under three years ago, and I was surprised by the level of hospitality and kindness shown to me. All of this from a draconian and barbaric country? The fact of the matter is that over 75% of the population support the law. Who are we to dictate the laws of another country?
Originally posted by Darth_Prime
It's not protecting the 'Traditional Family' we are not a threat nor threatening any 'Traditional Family'
these laws are being put in place because of Religious reasons, regardless if you are gay and religious you will still get discriminated against.
indeed, we don't control other countries laws. Regardless if you are for or against it, but that doesn't mean we can't show support for those that are getting discriminated against in other countries
saying we could learn from Russia about Morals sounds like Bryan Fischer
If you compare Russia to the US, UK or Europe, and compare domestic and international behaviour, laws and family values, there is a very good chance Russia would come out on top.