Neanderthals were more advanced than us. THEY were one of the megalithic cultures of the remote past

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:03 PM
Then there is this study which proves that the great apes ARE smarter than the rest of the primates.

The reason? Their larger brains and ability to use tools.

The great apes are the smartest of all nonhuman primates, with orangutans and chimpanzees consistently besting monkeys and lemurs on a variety of intelligence tests, Duke University Medical Center researchers have found.

"It's clear that some species can and do develop enhanced abilities for solving particular problems," said Robert O. Deaner, Ph.D., who led the study as part of his doctoral dissertation. "But our results imply that natural selection may favor a general type of intelligence in some circumstances. We suspect that this was crucial in human evolution."

The study was published online August 1, 2006, in the journal Evolutionary Psychology. Funding was provided by the medical center's Department of Biological Anthropology and Anatomy.

The results were clear: there were a few cases where one species performed better than another one in one task and reversed places in a different task, but, overall, some species truly outperformed others. "Our research strengthens the long-standing notion that some animal species truly are more intelligent than others," Deaner said. The smartest species were clearly the great apes -- orangutans, chimpanzees, and gorillas - which performed much better than monkeys and prosimians.

"The fact that great apes performed better than other primates in these laboratory tasks is reassuring," said Carel van Schaik, Ph.D., a study co-author and director of the Anthropological Institute and Museum at the University of Zurich. "After all, in absolute terms, their brains are the largest and they show the most sophisticated behavior under natural conditions -- deception and culturally-transmitted behavior, including tool-use."

NOW, I ask you, would another hominid, in this case a neanderthal, with larger brains than us, whom can use our tools, and do everything WE can do with the same dexterity and intuitions as us really be at any disadvantage to us?

Would they be BEFORE us in terms of evolutionary progression on that neat little scale of progress....?

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:19 PM
reply to post by Jeremiah65

There is sophisticated cave art in Southern France that dates back to almost 50kya. Thought by the mainstream to have been impossible until it was discovered and dated a few years ago.

Neanderthals were once thought to have been brutish, stupid and animal / almost ape like hominids, now this is shown to have been incorrect.

They had art, musical instruments, had rudimentary calendars, buried their dead (suggesting a concept of ritual and possibly religion), followed phases of the moon, and built settlements. Probably had language too. All the requirements for civilisation. At the very least, FAR from our view of them only a couple of decades ago.

Culture on this planet goes back a very, very long time.

India has ancient city ruins dating back far further than was previously thought and taught by the mainstream.

'Dwarka', as it has come to be known is a submerged ancient city, some 120 feet under the sea. Huge constructions have been found, along with art and sculpture, beads and jewellery, temples, dwellings and human bones and teeth. The city is built on a huge scale and is causing the mainstream to once again, re-evaluate what they thought they knew about human history, since the organic remains have been dated to 9,500ya which is a full 5000 years older than human civilisation from that area was previously thought.

200kya, a huge 'city like' settlement in S. Africa was flourishing...until recently, the structures were thought by the mainstream to be relatively modern sheep or goat pens, although it is clear it is in fact a very ancient city. This city is massive, covering many miles..they had tools, art, and roads of a sort.

The Earth is a large place, in the mere couple of hundred years since we have been digging, we have not even scratched the surface, let alone explored what is proving to be the areas where some of the oldest and most surprising ancient ruins are being discovered - the seabeds of the world. There is NO knowing what else is waiting buried that will cause another backtrack from the mainstream.

I don't really blame the mainstream for their mistakes, after all they can only make educated guesses on what they have to work with and that's only ever going to be based on the little that has been discovered so far, but it's stupid to catagorically proclaim human civilisation is X or Y thousands of years old, and rubbish other theories that do not fit that which they're teaching, when we know virtually nothing of our ancient history...well, nothing that proves to be enduringly correct anyway.

There's no shame in saying 'We don't know, but this is what we've found so far', regardless of how many years one studies at University and consider themselves an expert.

As technology improves, it's almost certain that even more startling discoveries that push our timelines and knowledge of ancient periods will emerge, probably from the seas.
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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:28 PM
reply to post by MysterX

exactly. Neanderthals and cro-magnons probably taught US everything we know, and they probably learned it themselves from much much older groups we may never even know of....there is no way they were brutish animals the way we like to make them out to be so we look a little better.

This is such an enthralling subject....I wish we dedicated ALL our efforts to solving these riddles...

We could throw every discipline we have at it and still come up short at getting the full picture of the REAL human history.

It is literally our lost heritage....

IMO it all points to the collapse of a VERY far removed and extremely advanced civilization and race or races of men that had nothing to envy of us...

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 12:57 PM
reply to post by zedVSzardoz

That could be so.

Neanderthals (according to mainstream) are around 300ky - 400ky older than 'anatomically modern humans', so have had at least twice as long as we did to establish themselves.

They certainly interbred with humans or else we all would not now be carrying around their DNA in our Genes..which also means intimate if not extensive social interaction.

It's not at all improbable we learnt from them, as they were more advanced than we were at the time.

Who knows, 50kya - 100kya our early ancestors may even have considered Neanderthals as Gods.

posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:13 PM
reply to post by MysterX

Who knows, 50kya - 100kya our early ancestors may even have considered Neanderthals as Gods.

that is where I am going with this.

Them and any other large Hominid that could do amazing things like predict eclipses, or make fire, or fly if they mastered basic aero dynamics and used a glider.

that many thousands of years leaves much room for the rise and fall of any number of civilizations dont you think? Look at us in less than 5 thousand years.

It also leaves enough time for nature to erase all traces of artificial structures and tools except the larger ones built towards the end of their existence that other groups later inherited and used themselves, like Tenochtitlan and other already built city state empires......ALREADY BUILT! by whom?

well.... I think we have the answer....

I honestly think that as many as 12 races of man lived on earth at one point. A minimum of 5. I say so by going off mythology from around the world which I have always had an interest in.

We may be a hodgepodge of those many groups and straddlers inter breeding over time.

The real question for me is....WHERE did they all come from originally. Here?

How old is the earth exactly? I dont trust our estimates because we are measuring the material that has been recycled at least once by the earths natural cycle of replacing the crust over time. Everything up here was once molten rock down there. Every sample we have is recycled rock and dust.

Entire continents could have been sucked under the earths crust and recycled into fresh lava on the other side of the planet after enough time.

There is just too much to ignore. Actually it is accepted already, and has been up until recently when we began to write our own version of history. Giants existed and were here before US....that was common knowledge.

Thing is they may be just giants to us the way a little marmoset would see a gorilla. Gods for their abilities like the way a Chimpanzee could use a stick might be amazing to a Tamarin monkey.

I think these other hominids Were in fact our "gods" and that they came from extremely advanced civilizations that at one point collapsed by natural or artificial causes. From a flood of their continent to a war of their super powers, or both....and then followed up by a ice age or two.....

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:20 PM
reply to post by zedVSzardoz

So this is where TPTB get their slave warrior clones from. They will produce them. "Educate" them. In 25-30 years, from under the Denver International Airport, they will emerge, wearing their sky blue helmets with global laurel insignias, having awaken to "EXECUTE ORDER 66!"

Lets just pray the first one isnt named Jango.

Sorry. This is a serious thread with interesting discussion. Sorry.
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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:27 PM
reply to post by sirjunlegun

nah its cool. We need lols.

This stuff is hard to take seriously without a few acknowledgements of the possible absurdity. When the smile fades and you still see the possibilities, probabilities and facts you just keep going down the rabbit hole...

No harm no foul....

posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 02:06 PM
so I want to cover a few of the mythological ages of man according to a few cultures separated by vast oceans and time. I want us to look at them with the lens of each age of man representing a supposed evolutionary stage in our development. The earlier stages would not include us and would instead have specimens of hominids we have yet to find evidence of or will never find because they are literally dust by now. Also the notion of aging backwards is a trait of the earlier ages. It could represent this version of mankind being more mature and wiser than the latter forms to come. De-evolution if you will.

Golden Age – The Golden Age is the only age that falls within the rule of Cronus. Molded out of the earth through the hands of Prometheus, these humans were said to live among the gods, and freely mingled with them. Peace and harmony prevailed during this age. Humans did not have to work to feed themselves, for the earth provided food in abundance. They lived to a very old age but with a youthful appearance and eventually died peacefully. Their spirits live on as "guardians". Plato in Cratylus (397 e) recounts the golden race of men who came first. He clarifies that Hesiod did not mean men literally made of gold, but good and noble. He describes these men as daemons upon the earth. Since δαίμονες (daimones) is derived from δαήμονες (daēmones, meaning knowing or wise), they are beneficent, preventing ills, and guardians of mortals.

Silver Age – The Silver Age and every age that follows fall within the rule of Cronus' successor and son, Zeus. Zeus created these humans out of the ash tree. Men in the Silver age lived for one hundred years under the dominion of their mothers. They lived only a short time as grown adults, and spent that time in strife with one another. During this Age men refused to worship the gods and Zeus destroyed them for their impiety. After death, humans of this age became "blessed spirits" of the underworld.

[color=gold]Bronze Age – Men of the Bronze Age were hardened and tough, as war was their purpose and passion. Not only were their arms and tools forged of bronze, but so were their very homes. The men of this Age were undone by their own violent ways and left no named spirits; instead, they dwell in the "dank house of Hades". This Age came to an end with the flood of Deucalion.

Heroic Age – The Heroic Age is the one age that does not correspond with any metal. It is also the only age that improves upon the age it follows. These humans were created from the bones. of the earth (stones) through the actions of Deucalion and Pyrrha. In this period men lived with noble demigods and heroes. It was the heroes of this Age who fought at Thebes and Troy. This race of humans died and went to Elysium.

[color=grey]Iron Age – Hesiod finds himself in the Iron Age. During this age humans live an existence of toil and misery. Children dishonor their parents, brother fights with brother and the social contract between guest and host (xenia) is forgotten. During this age might makes right, and bad men use lies to be thought good. At the height of this age, humans no longer feel shame or indignation at wrongdoing; babies will be born with gray hair and the gods will have completely forsaken humanity: "there will be no help against evil."

According to ancient Aztec religion, it took the gods 5 tries to create the world. These attempts were foiled because of infighting among the gods themselves. After he was knocked from his exalted position by rivals, the first creator, Tezcatlipoca, turned into a jaguar and destroyed the world. Under similar circumstances, the world was created and then destroyed with wind, and then two floods.

Each time a creator-god would take a turn being the sun. Finally the gods had a council, and decided one of them would have to sacrifice himself to be the new sun. Nanauatl, a lowly, humble god became the sun, but there was a problem - he wasn't moving. The gods realized that they all must sacrifice themselves so that humans could live. The god Ehecatl sacrificed the others, and a mighty wind arose to move the sun at last.

This was no free sacrifice, however. Not only would the people have to help this weak sun to keep moving, they would also be responsible to repay the sacrifice. The world remained in a precarious position!

Once the sun was dealt with, the world had to be recreated. Quetzalcoatl was the one who would create humans. Of course, people had been created several times before, so Quetzalcoatl descended into the underworld to retrieve their bones. He tripped as he fled, and the bones. shattered into different sized pieces, which is why people are all different sizes. By adding his own blood to the mix, people came to life.

You will see similarities between these two cultures.

Tezcatlipoca is like chronos who is replaced. Like Zeus VS the Titans, who then make the next form of man.

What we have to take into context here are the bones. The dead material of the last world makes the next. In many of these versions across the globe there is always several "types" of mankind living along sides Gods or other mortal forms of man. Some like the Gods, others not.

I am sure many are familiar with the Sumerian accounts of creation just by reading ATS off and on from all the Zecharia Stichin fans here. If not I will sum it up (VERY QUICKLY AND SIMPLY) but you need to either read some translations from other sources besides Stichin AND Stichin´s as well since he is an excellent translator in his own right regardless of what people will say.

Anyways the Annunaki (gods) made man from the primitive life forms already on earth by infusing their own DNA with the primate they found in the wilderness. They intended to make a primitive worker race. Or so it goes, to mine gold for them. In the end they infused too much of themselves into the life form and made it too much like them and decided to try and kill them all off (us, maybe)

Before that happened, the first hybrid created was called Adapa, meaning "red man". Supposedly he was made from the clay of the earth being used in the process of his engineering. HE came out red...*remember we mentioned the red hair and such before being an attribute of giants across the globe. Red freckles over the body and light eyes.

Ok, so that creation was the first and was excellent. Some Gods really liked it and enjoyed their company too much. They abused their service and made tensions. BUT it was the fact that they were reverting to their original primal form that prompted Enki, the Sumerian creator god of mankind to go back to the drawing board. He ended up knocking up some human girls by a river and they gave birth to humanity 2.0.

the thing with this version was that they were all descendants of a prince of Niburu, the home place of the Annunaki (gods) of which Enki was a prince. Enki was one of the sons of Anu, the supreme God. So all of this humanity was royalty. They were promptly denied the immortality of the Gods to at least limit them in something, since they were too much like the Gods as is. Sound familiar yet?

Enki later took a rib from his brother a fellow prince, Enil, and infused the new version of man yet again with their essence forever removing the traits of the prior versions from the mix and further limiting the humans because this time Enki tweaked the hell out of the humans. Enil, Enki´s brother was really pissed about it, and ended up hating humanity for the rest of his life and his brother to a degree.

Yet again a royal God got the hots for our fair maidens and decided to marry one of our princesses he fell in love with which sealed the deal for eternal humanity hate by the gods. The son of Enki, Mardock, took a human bride and his followers decided they too could do the same. The Iggi (watchers) on mars descended to earth for the wedding of their leader (mardock) and prince of Niburu but ruined it all by stealing mortal women for themselves.
(Genesis 6:1, The Sons of God Mated With the Daughters of Man.)

They made yet another race of men who were not as limited as the controlled versions Enki had been tweaking along the years and they ruined the whole scheme of things by making God like men once again. Just to jump in it is interesting that the bible says a third of the hosts of heaven (the watchers) rebelled against 2 thirds of the hosts of heaven. Here it was 300 Iggi (watchers) defied 600 earth bound Annunaki (gods) 1/3 VS 2/3 in both accounts...anyways..

So the gods let a natural disaster destroy all of the tainted humanity (flood) and they started up with who ever was left alive. Not many did make it but enough of humanity was left and the one blood line Enki decided to save that did make it. (Sumerian Noah and co.)

Enil WAS PISSED. The two royal families, Enki and his descendants fought with Enil and his descendants who hated mankind and only used it to hurt the Enkites. The Enkites , under mardock, armed the humans and made them into a force to capture earth which they promised to mankind Anyways as long as they followed mardock.

In all this a great war erupted between the gods over petty BS and destroyed everybody. The gods had to slowly with draw from earth while getting the last bit of gold they could and the Enkites bitterly won a nuclear wintered earth...

So everything was half ass rebuilt by an abandoned mardock god and leftover half wit experimental humans that were so badly genetically restricted they could barely reproduce without killing themselves (us). and here we misery.

the end....I swear to god, I didn't make that up. I am paraphrasing but that is a version of accounts I and stichin have taken some artistic license just to tell.

There are other versions in which Enki and Nin-khursag (wifey) are competing to see who can make the best human and each of Enkis creations are more useless than the last....and Enki gets pissed because his wife doesn't put his worthless creations to use like he did her useless creations before they got it right...(us)

so we may be a genetic experiment by advanced beings before our time...that is why it is important to mention the bones of dead hominids of the past being used to revive the next version of man in mythology. Like the scientist in the UK that is trying to do that now with Neanderthals(thread i mentioned in the OP that inspired me to write this one)...... it totally reminded me of this subject.

The Mayan Popol Vuh records a similar progression of worlds. The gods make several attempts at creating human beings, but the first few attempts fail. The earliest effort results in howling, chattering creatures, which the gods transform into the animals.

The next try results in a man of mud who dissolves in the rain. The third try produces men of wood who are able to function in a primitive fashion but cannot worship the gods properly—they are not yet spiritual beings.

[color=gold]The gods destroy them in violent rains and floods, even sending the animals to attack them. Their descendants are the monkeys.

Finally, on the fourth try, the gods create men.

I added the yellow parts in the next section for juxtaposition, to pose some correlations/ questions.

In almost all primitive myths there is a close association between animals and men. Countless episodes tell of the transformation of human beings into animals, or vice versa. Animal-human matings occur commonly. Indeed, it is not uncommon for animals to be regarded as the precursors of the human species - a crude foreshadowing, in a way, of the theory of organic evolution.

A tribe's mythology accounts not only for its own origins but also for that of other tribes. However, the origin assigned to an enemy is likely to be unflattering. The Saliva of Columbia, for example, say that their hated Carib enemies arose from large worms in the putrefying entrails of a serpent-monster killed by a Saliva culture hero. A common belief in the primitive world is that all peoples were once a single tribe, living together and speaking the same language. But then something happened (among the Tikuna of the Upper Amazon it was the eating of two hummingbird eggs), and thereafter people began to speak different languages, split into separate groups, and dispersed far and wide. Here we see a clear parallel to the Biblical story of the Tower of Babel.

Many primitive myths tell of a Golden Age during which life was easy and pleasant, discord was unknown, tools worked by themselves, no one ever died, and the and medicine? Then something went wrong, and ever since, travail, misfortune, and death have been the lot of mankind. This notion of a Fall of Man is likewise familiar to readers of the Bible.

In contrast to a Golden Age, there is often a belief in the notion of a Primordial Simplicity. According to this view, the earliest stage of the human race was one of ignorance and innocence out of which the benighted were lifted by a god or culture hero. This mythical being taught them many things - how to make tools, how to build houses, how to plant crops, even how to copulate properly.the fallen teaching the secrets of the gods? the apple of knowledge?

Among many elements of culture purportedly unknown to the earliest people was fire. However, rather than being given fire by the gods, most primitive peoples say they had to steal it. In myth I recorded among the Amahuaca of eastern Peru, fire was stolen from the stingy ogre, Yowashiko, by a parrot who flew away with a burning brand in its beak.

Angered by the theft, Yowashiko tried to douse the flames by sending rain. However, other larger birds spread their wings over the parrot, thus keeping the flames alive so that eventually fire became available to everyone. This account is of course reminiscent of Greek mythology, in which Prometheus stole fire from the gods and gave it to mankind.mardok teaching and arming mankind to oppose the gods?

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 02:27 PM
Careful my friend, you soon will have the ATS textbook ninjas upon you. No mere inquisitive extrapolation here either buddy. The internets could explode.

You must have sources for every other word in your hypothesis. And they must approve of those sources (meaning, they agreed with them, meaning that was what were taught when they went to school, meaning it makes them feel warm and fuzzy). If you stray from that path, be prepared for being poo-pooed you blasphemous alien lover.

posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 02:28 PM

Neanderthals (according to mainstream) are around 300ky - 400ky older than 'anatomically modern humans'

The majority of science is Illuminati controlled and maintained.

Mainstream Science has JUST as much credibility as what you see on TV.

Treat it accordingly and don't believe a word of it.

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With the control of science in their hands, and the discouragement of seeking new findings they took it a step further. Next, the Robber Baron flunkies of the Illuminati used their ill-gotten gains, under the guise of philanthropy, to establish “Foundations” and “Societies” such as the National Geographical Society and the

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With respect to its great contributions to society, I think it is important to make a case that science is really affecting society more like a religion now than a field of study or a resource base of useful information. Many everyday people do not understand it at all and accept ALL its teachings on faith.

Unfortunately some scientists and academic professionals are not so noble and have perpetrated deliberate frauds and cover-ups of important discoveries.

Modern Scientific beliefs are based upon a leap of faith in the big bang theory. It has become a belief system based on faith and therefore another form of religion. Scientists, like priests can explain their beliefs but the everyday people accept it all on faith. Scientists and doctors are the priests of this new religion, getting angry and crying "heresy" when anyone respectfully disagrees with them.

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 02:40 PM
Makes sense to me, bigger brains + larger body = greater need for food
Ice age comes and only the lesser power hungry species survive

posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 02:40 PM
Makes sense to me, bigger brains + larger body = greater need for food
Ice age comes and only the lesser power hungry species survive

posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 03:20 PM

Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
They probably had language some experts say and would probably have had similar vocal chords and language centers in the brain as us.

Based off of reconstructions of the Neanderthal vocal tract, it's likely that they could not have produced the full range of sounds necessary for modern speech - a capacity for language was much more restricted in Neanderthals because their basicrania has a less humped profile.

That leads me to believe they probably lived longer life spans. That they were more adaptable and that they had a better chance of surviving than us.

Neanderthals lived relatively short and precarious lives. Some died young and few lived beyond the age of 40 to 45 years. Debilitating diseases affected them and they were plagued by a variety of injuries and illnesses, ranging from bone fractures to gum disease.

We know that size and relative intelligence can be VASTLY different between primates.....we know it has been so for our supposed linear progression of evolution. What if we just widen the spectrum to include those specimens that time has destroyed or that we have yet to find.

Huh? Biological evolution is not a linear progression towards more higher, evolved forms of life. You're implying that evolution is a hierarchy from rudimentarily simply to progressively complex.

Do you have any peer-reviewed sources to corroborate these bold claims of yours?
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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 03:37 PM

Originally posted by IEtherianSoul9
Do you have any peer-reviewed sources to corroborate these bold claims of yours?

Peer reviewed sources are useless.

Science is the most corrupt area of academics there is.

The peer review process is used to promote rampant fraud.

Despite its importance as the ultimate gatekeeper of scientific publication and funding, peer review is known to engender bias, incompetence, excessive expense, ineffectiveness, and corruption. A surfeit of publications has documented the deficiencies of this system.

How to Fix Peer Review

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 03:42 PM
reply to post by IEtherianSoul9

I will not play the sources game here. I stated this is my theory I formed after years of hobby reading.

on a side note and to actually address something you said, the vocal chords not being able to produce the full range of sound ours do, reminded me of something.

King Og of Bashan was the last survivor of the giant Rephaites.

the term " Rephaites" means buzzing, or those who make buzzing sounds....

The area of Moab at Ar, (the region East of the Jordan) before the time of Moses, was also considered the land of the Rephaites. Deuteronomy 2:18-21 refers to the fact that Ammonites called them "Zamzummim", which is related to the Hebrew word זמזם, which literally translates into "Buzzers", or "the people whose speech sounds like buzzing." In Arabic the word زمزم (zamzama) translates as "to rumble, roll (thunder); murmur". As per Deut 2:11, the Moabites referred to them as the Emim.

and by the way the perfect size order and developmental association given to human evolution in which we only get better until one day we will become a more evolved version of us (homo superior) is entirely implied by evolutionists. It suggests a neat and clean linear progression of intelligence. I completely disagree.


Neanderthals lived relatively short and precarious lives. Some died young and few lived beyond the age of 40 to 45 years. Debilitating diseases affected them and they were plagued by a variety of injuries and illnesses, ranging from bone fractures to gum disease.

My theory takes into account that the population of them we would find would be of a later period in which they were integrated with primitive cultures which lacked advanced medicine and knowledge. the initial population which may have possessed these things would be dust or far buried under more sedimentary layers than we have yet dug.

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 03:57 PM
Interesting theory. If a woman takes up the offer to be the surrogate mother of a Neanderthal baby, I suppose we'll eventually find out. At the same time, although a Neanderthal may be naturally/biologically more intelligent, homo sapiens are in a technological stage where we're able to augment our own intelligence. By the time a woman came to term, and fostered a Neanderthal child till adulthood, we'll have already developed ways of increasing our own capacity for intelligence and cognition. How advanced did you think the Neanderthal were in their prime? Beyond our level?.. you'd think there would be more clues & hints if so..

posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 04:24 PM
reply to post by zedVSzardoz

Neanderthals had larger brains. Their brains were the same size when infants as human infants but were much larger as adults than homo- sapiens.

Its not the size that matters but usage....

posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 04:27 PM
Where is the evidence of their technological achievements then? They erected megalithic structures but other than that not one shred of evidence of supposedly advanced tech was found. Not even copper wire or other technological artifacts that might have been salvaged by other cultures or ancient discoverers.

All the evidence we have for Ancient Aliens or cultures whom were supposedly technologically more advanced than ours are megalithic structures and stonework so precise that we can not explain it with primitive tools. But other than that no gadgets surfaced anywhere.

posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 04:44 PM

Larger brains almost always correlate to larger intellects and capacity for learning.

Are you sure this is accurate?

Do you have sources to link?

posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 04:46 PM
This whole Neanderthal thing looked REAL suspicious to me...

So out of curiosity did a search in Google: Neanderthal is a fraud

Whadaya know, Gomer Pile was right! "Surprise surprise!"

History of modern man unravels as German scholar is exposed as fraud

It appeared to be one of archaeology's most sensational finds. The skull fragment discovered in a peat bog near Hamburg was more than 36,000 years old - and was the vital missing link between modern humans and Neanderthals.

However, the professor's 30-year-old academic career has now ended in disgrace after the revelation that he systematically falsified the dates on this and numerous other "stone age" relics.

Yesterday his university in Frankfurt announced the professor had been forced to retire because of numerous "falsehoods and manipulations". According to experts, his deceptions may mean an entire tranche of the history of man's development will have to be rewritten.

Flamboyant anthropologist falsified dating of key discoveries

"There was the Piltdown man fraud, there was the Orce man fraud, there was The Archaeoraptor Liaoningensis: or the Fake Dinosaur-bird ancestor, which turned out to be a fraud, and a big embarrasment for National Geographic Magazine.

There was the Nebraska man fraud, there was the Java man fraud, there was the Neanderthal man fraud. This could go on and on, and the reason for this, is because as soon as they think they found the missing link, the Evolutionist bring out their big brass marching band. Yet as soon as they find out that the evidence in question is a fraud, everything is hushed up, and you never hear any more about it. Which leaves everyone thinking they have the theory nailed down.

About every few years they come out with the new missing link, only to find out the link is either another species or a fraud. And this happens over, and over, and over, and almost no one ever questions this, and joe public just believes what ever the news media tells them.

What part of Evolution is a lie?

"...many Neanderthal fossils have been tampered with to support the theory of evolution.

One of the many fraudulent things that people have done to the Neanderthal skulls is to reconstruct the lower jaw in a forward protruding position.

This is based on the preconceived notion, that Neanderthal was dimwitted, and ape-ish. The jaw is purposely manipulated to look this way in reconstruction’s, because that is how some ape jaws are aligned.

Of the thousands of people who have seen Neanderthal skulls in a museum, I wonder how many of them knew the jaw had been altered?

Neanderthal fraud discovered

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