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Originally posted by mOjOm
Originally posted by votan
reply to post by CaticusMaximus
In the garden of eden man was given a choice to. They chose to dis obey God. The reason they were banished from Gods side was not because they ate from the tree but because they lied about it. Lies were introduced then an there when satan tricked them into eating the fruit.
The main lie satan told man was that they could be gods.... and he was going to show them how. How is that working out so far?? death was introduce because of that lie. Man was like god but ceased to be that way by buying satans lie.
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I beg to differ. The serpent never lied and the reason they were kicked out had nothing to do with their lie. The serpent told the truth and out of fear that man would eat of the Tree of Life and truly become gods themselves, they were kicked out.
"Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make [one] wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Not quite the same story as what the preacher taught us over my whole life growing up in church. Reading it later from an objective perspective, it seems pretty clear as to WHY they were kicked out and it had nothing to do with lies told by the serpent. Lies told by God on the other hand.....
The Old Testament was examples / warnings. The " law " is not for a saved Christian, but it is for the unsaved
It is only one of His many names and the closest any of us have to His true name
Once the proper translation is read, most of those "God curses things" don't exist, but were the fabrication of the translators. I wonder if they might not be working for God...no that could never happen