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Yahweh = Satan. They have you worshiping evil.

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 06:15 PM
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Very good post. I'm not sure that I agree with your conclusion, but then again I'm not sure I agree with the conclusion of any church on this planet. We are talking about a book written by numerous men after all. This God and his actions which we are discussing, was described by people like ourselves. What if God never did any of those things and what if the book is filled with lies about what actually happened?

You made me see this story in a different light and that is what I appreciate. It's a nice twist. It also reminds me of a dream I once had that I remember to this day. It partly fits your theory. I was always puzzled by the dream. Actually, that dream was the conclusion to a series of dreams that happened over a span of a month or so. There were maybe 20 dreams, and in each one of them I was being challenged by the devil or Satan, or whatever you want to call him. I had to fight him numerous times. He was vile, dangerous and sadistic. It was very frightening, especially since I was about 15 or 16 years old. I didn't understand where these dreams were coming from, because I'm not religious in the traditional sense and I was not brought up to be religious. Nobody ever forced me to believe or not believe.

At the end of this series of dreams I experienced one final dream with this topic, and it was the most intense I've ever had. I was visited by Lucifer in my room. He was dressed in a black cloak and seemed to be floating about two feet above the floor. I couldn't see his feet. His face was very pale (glowing) and so were his blue eyes. He had shoulder-length blonde hair. He was incredibly full of a parental type of love for me. I felt like my heart was going to burst from it all. I've never experienced a love that intense before or after. a lot of people who have had near death experiences describe this sort of feeling about God if they happen to see him. He spoke to me in thoughts. His lips never moved. He told me he would come back for me at a later time. I wanted to go right then and there, but I guess it wasn't time for me yet. As he disappeared in a very bright light, I realized who it was. The name Lucifer was so clear in my head. As I understood it, he came to me to let me know that I would not have to dream about the devil ever again. The dreams of evil that preceded this dream were just a test he had given me, and I passed it. Just as was promised, I haven't had a single dream with the devil ever since. When I woke up, it nearly blew my mind that I could perceive Lucifer/Satan as a "good" being. That theory had never crossed my mind before. I had absolutely no fear of him, in fact I wanted to go with him. That made me feel weird and I really questioned my sanity. I know it's just a dream, but the feelings and thoughts were so intense that it's hard to forget. You're probably the first person to make me feel like I'm not alone in thinking that maybe Lucifer's bad reputation is overblown and inaccurate in many religions. Of course that's if you believe any of that stuff in the first place.

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 06:17 PM
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It was a great post with few errors until the end. That last paragraph. Lucifer is not a player in the realm of Hell. Lucifer is a name used for Satan before his fall. Lucifer, in the context you use it in, is a name of Satan which means he has not been cast into the lake of fire.

To my knowledge, no demons have been destroyed. This is up to the Lord, but they are allowed some freedom for now - mainly for our benefit imho.

Also, while it may appear to you the NWO is here, you have no evidence that it is now or 2,000 years from now. just speculation. There is a group trying to start the NWO yes, but there always has been...to my knowledge they are not very big.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by PnezakYahakotima
At some point during meditational practice, you become not only aware of your breath, but your breath itself becomes an active and aware principle...

Breath is one of the most important tools we have. When we breathe in air, we also breath in awareness. When we breathe out air, we also breathe out awareness.

If you become aware of your breath and its awareness, you then become consciously connected to the awareness of everyone else...

(which can sometimes be REALLY difficult to process...)

But I believe that even the most blind, dark, and petty creatures can be reached gradually, over long periods of time.

I guess that is why Buddhists consider it a very great honor to be born here, rather than in any other realms.... because we exist at this median between heaven and hell.... and therefore we are the mediators, the ones who experience and process pain and suffering for the rest of the Cosmos...

Puts a whole new perspective on things.... if only we can keep that in mind, myself most definitely included.

So, the war for each of us.... is really only with our ability to process suffering... pain, sadness, and fear included...

We're all a lot more prepared to deal with it than we might think....

Perhaps that's why we are here... to liberate a blind god from his mental prison by liberating ourselves from our own mental prisons...


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edit on 21-1-2013 by PnezakYahakotima because: to add edit reason... wanted to tie this into the OP a bit more


Your conclusion sounds familiar. In theory, from the gnostic point of view this could be the case. The Demiurge seperated from wisdom and the source. Wanted to be a God with no other in charge. Thus we were created. The Gnostic thought is that we are the ones who will ultimately bring back the connection to the God above God.

Interesting to think about...



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 06:21 PM
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Free will is such an abused concept.

Can you even really define freedom?

When you look forward, you see an array of choices, but when you look backward, all you see is what has happened.

What about when you look right here?

You see uncertainty, most likely.... you are uncertain, so you "choose" between things which seem to be consistent with past "choices".

So "free will" is really only ill-defined slavery. You are a slave to a certain number of choices.

So if one believes it to be true that Lucifer gave man free will, within the context of what I have just previously said, all Lucifer gave man was a varied set of ignorant attitudes towards his enslavement.

That seems to indicate falsehood, and a false "god" to me.

Our false god, then, is a personified misconception called "free will".

Isn't it funny that, in order to be "free", you must be a slave to capital?

If you denounce capital, you are still a slave to your conditions.

This is a world of indentured servitude, not of freedom.

I guess to truly be free, one first must realize the extent to which he his enslaved.

It's a very convincing illusion, though. That's the hardest part to overcome....

It drives some people completely insane... well they drive themselves insane, really.

A false god is enslaved by his "free will" as well. Denying his interconnectedness to Supreme Being.

The question one eventually has to ask, even this false god, is this:

What other way could there have possibly been then the One Way?
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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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I'm not misportraying anyone, only asking questions that others usually look past.

If god gave us free will as a gift then why does he tell us we shouldn't use it? Why give a gift if you plan on taking it back if they use it? That's not a gift, it's a bribe.

God should love all people equally. If someone makes a few bad mistakes in their short lifespan here on Earth, how does that equal to eternity in hell? I thought god was a fair god? If someone does bad things, don't you think they deserve a chance at redemption instead of throwing them in a cell and throwing away the key?


We should exist in a spirit of gratefulness - we "should" judge only brothers and s.isters in the church more accurately, which is why I tire of religious threads on ATS where ruder members make pretend that we Should be examining their lifestyles. By their own laws they will be judged.

It's a priveledge, not a right, and a priveledge that gets taken away every day to some members of society who prove through deeds, hate-speech rants leading to slander & mockery (which the world is full of), that they cannot exist alongside each other. Have you ever heard the term spiritual "cars"? - Accidents do happen, and bad riders get booted all the time. Or did you not really wonder about that "left out" feeling when you decide to be cool at a party and blast the audience with your sleaziest gutter "joke"?

Foremost, You should stop telling Almighty God what to do. He isn't a nebulous cloud of logic, He isn't a wavery entity that allows you to backslide for years, and He is far, far more intelligent than you will ever be able to even conceive. It's a bit of a Linux problem for us mortals (immortals) : it takes hundreds of programmers and administrators to understand it's culmination; no one individual hold all understanding. There are many chances at redemption, in this it has been my experience that God is over, -well over-fair, with sinful individuals. Yet while most Christians are moderating and tame people, we have to deal with extremes and extremist thinking all the time, which leads to our misrepresentation as "fundies", or extremists ourselves. It is rarely the case.

In a purely Christian community, as in, following and living the proper teachings and lifestyle, we would have almost no strife, save where members fall short or allow themselves to fall. Burned by the lust of their own desire, their loves turn infernal, and burn for love of self or for material possessions. Instead of generating wholesome outflow which upbuilds others, the flow becomes vampiric, and their misery wants company, so do the demons they newly associate with. They flow in like water might into the compromised individual

Most Christians don't love the "World Child" puzzle of shadow design, or want the "group head" problem, like to keep our lists of loves low as to not be consider part of the harlot or "oneness" rot ideology, believe strong fences make good neighbours, and simply want to be left alone from all the Crowley-esque esoteric willpower concerns, the "Do thou as Thou Wilt" extremists who prefer to ruin days and futures. Measure the lost quality of good you have cost us all, and weep, repent. Deferred justice will find you. Amen.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 06:25 PM
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Just realised the OP's avatar is near perfect for some of the stuff I've been posting. The head archon was said to have a lion's head and snakes body!



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 06:28 PM
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I believe that this is the way humanity will eventually come to a consensus about what we're here to do.... is by individual realization of these types of concepts.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 06:29 PM
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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 06:34 PM
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If I could not "judge" and tell someone when they are in error in their actions or faith, I would be breaking the Golden Rule.

It applies to telling people you know where their eternal soul is going, and can be extended to other things as well.

You can not judge yourself as better than someone.

I guess gnostics are included..."Archons" haha. Demons you mean? (this is directed at the one who referred to Archons, not you)

There is no higher God than the Lord of the Universe, the Father - the Son - and the Holy Spirit. No matter what gnostic texts say.

I find their texts humorous, yet dangerous. The Matrix was good though, so who am I to judge?

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 06:36 PM
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We're experiencing the Greater Dialectic going on right here.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by PnezakYahakotima
Free will is such an abused concept.

Can you even really define freedom?

When you look forward, you see an array of choices, but when you look backward, all you see is what has happened.

What about when you look right here?

You see uncertainty, most likely.... you are uncertain, so you "choose" between things which seem to be consistent with past "choices".

So "free will" is really only ill-defined slavery. You are a slave to a certain number of choices.

So if one believes it to be true that Lucifer gave man free will, within the context of what I have just previously said, all Lucifer gave man was a varied set of ignorant attitudes towards his enslavement.

That seems to indicate falsehood, and a false "god" to me.

Our false god, then, is a personified misconception called "free will".

Isn't it funny that, in order to be "free", you must be a slave to capital?

If you denounce capital, you are still a slave to your conditions.

This is a world of indentured servitude, not of freedom.

I guess to truly be free, one first must realize the extent to which he his enslaved.

It's a very convincing illusion, though. That's the hardest part to overcome....

It drives some people completely insane... well they drive themselves insane, really.

A false god is enslaved by his "free will" as well. Denying his interconnectedness to Supreme Being.

The question one eventually has to ask, even this false god, is this:

What other way could there have possibly been then the One Way?
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Free will is what allows us to break free of exactly what you are describing. We can learn from mistakes of others as well as ourselves, but first we must not judge ourselves as better than them or we just won't.

Satan has enslaved mankind, not God (who is not Lucifer).
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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 07:03 PM
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I'm going to have a go at posting a thread in response to this at some point, hopefully; I'm genuinely saddened that so many people on this board are literally 'antichrist' in their general thoughts - & even in their considered opinions.

The name 'Yeshua', which we translate as 'Jesus', means ''YHWH saves''.

The name YHWH - means ''Behold the Hand, behold the Nails..''

The name of God, YHWH, is a prophetic indicator of the coming of Jesus, and the manner in which He would die. The Hand of God, the One who made all, nailed to a cross. Simple, yet powerful. Crucifixion was over 500 years away, off in the distant future, when the name YHWH was given - as the most sacred name of God - to the Jewish people. It has multiple meanings, as do all Hebrew words, but by taking the literal meanings of each letterform we get the above translation (there's a bit more to it, but I can always explain further in another thread..)

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Faith, Hope & Love. Life is a struggle, but the world itself is the problem. Christ overcame the world to be the example of Faith, Hope & Love - and of the triumph awaiting those who refuse to conform to cowardice and self-satisfaction. The Fall of Man is a mystery, and the illustration provides only basic clues about the situation. There is certainly more to the Book of Genesis than meets the eye - the structure of the Hebrew alphabet, the structure of the very letterforms themselves, seem to 'hide in plain sight' certain truths, data encoded by means of mathematical modeling - complex features relating 'perfect' geometry to the essence of the form of the Human body, to the perspective of a sentient being, and to the landscape of universal principles.

Reviewing just a few of the posts in this thread, there is in fact the distinct possibility that a lot of people on this site are horrendously deceived. Be careful what you claim to know - a few casual thoughts when you were smoking something way back when, or a drunken chat with someone who claimed to be a Christian but didn't do a good job convincing you, does not an expert in demonology make. Simples.

They say that if you talk of the devil, he shows up.. Thing is, he doesn't come round with a six-pack of beer & offer you a game of poker. He doesn't always show up in person, though in strategic cases he will make at least one appearance, sometimes several, depending on how much he stands to gain in manipulating someone.

Instead, either that one - or more likely one from amongst the lesser legions of hell - sneaks into your noosphere, creeping ever closer, turning your attention to carefully planted foci - until ultimately, by your consent (blink and you'll miss it) a covert entry will be made into the material reality you live in.. He starts messing with your circumstance, with your understanding of higher concepts; he will twist thoughts, lay traps - basing deceptions amidst false trails of reasoning, and will subliminally pervert your thoughts, etc, etc.. If at all possible, by manipulating you into directed aggravated states (supporting magical actions), he will hurt the people you care about. It all comes about as you gradually give more and more of yourself to the devices & ploys.. The minions infect your dreams, and unless you come to your senses, it's possible to end up in a very dark place indeed.


NOTE - atheists are usually ignored, as they do no harm to the activities of these entities, and are in fact liable to indirectly assist the schemes of evil that promulgate in this world via complex interrelated factors. All such factors are rooted in the nature of Man, and only when the nature of Man is properly understood - in the context of his immediate noetic environment, and the 'Macrobes' that infect it; only then can people come to a proper understanding of the purpose of the Judaic revelation, and the purpose of Christ, and the availability of a lifeline - literally a lifeline, removing your links to the infection, offering an antidote to the disease afflicting every single one of us.

Why it had to be like this, is one of the final mysteries that we will address, and understand - but for now, just be aware that there is a subversive, tactical, deliberately self-obfuscating enemy in our midst, and YHWH is not the one to whom the finger of blame should be pointed, but rather YHWH is the Good & Loving, Powerful & Ever-Present LORD of Creation; the 'I AM' of Infinity, the First Principle; Ultimate Source of 'All That Is', able to heal, able to save, able to provide Hope for the future.

FAITH, HOPE & LOVE. Mercy triumphs over judgment.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 07:13 PM
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Originally posted by NarrowGate
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If I could not "judge" and tell someone when they are in error in their actions or faith, I would be breaking the Golden Rule.


A wise man overlooks an offence, don't pay much attention to workers who grumble over you, and judge not lest you be judged also come to mind. The overlooked part of the golden rule, in treating others as you would be treated is that it was intended that people first attain a righteous attitude, and live a worthy life. It is then intended that judgements are made according to those high standards. It seems to me that people who try the least tend to use that statement the most, then politely pass off any topic of ethics in the same switched mode of mind. But if you involve your web in my life, guaranteed my web will involve itself in your web. Angels predate against demons, are infinately more powerful than demons in their points of order, with Gods backing, with wise watchdogs and stores of wisdom backing them up against the foolishness-in-wise-formats of countless hell-scum issues. The least of angels is potentially greater than the greatest of man, as man was made less than angels, and I'm convinced there are billions. This is no small moving force in our lives, in fact, it trumps everything. Feel safe


We love them, and therefore respect their society, protect their identities, and realize that evil hatreds against decent people hurt their hearts. The same hatred also strengthens demons and promotes their activity. Don't call Christians the foolish members of society, examine yourselves & I'm presently sold out of mirrors.


It applies to telling people you know where their eternal soul is going, and can be extended to other things as well.

You can not judge yourself as better than someone.


I can attest to whatever I've found to hold truth, after years of living and learning, and so can you. What you can't do is dictate peoples answers for therm.

I can also judge myself as worthier, far worthier, than many an individual, based on easy comparasions - which I dislike making - between myself and others. That's confidence on the line, not under-confidence, not pride talking. I can see how little some give effort, fall short even when they do, and guage how much farther I'll go than they to meet my intended mark. Further, a wise archer over-shoots his/her mark to meet their target; I don't mind feminism as it counters centuries of chauvinism and Shariah law, as an example. We're all at different stages in our evolution, and everyone fluctuates in their ambitions and direction. It would be a shame to be all the same (an essential equality for rights, but a healthy deep sense/deep nonsense division among factions results in the preservation of actual classy human nature imo). If you want to compare me to a grade eights intelligence level, or a historical great like Emerson, I'll call your judgement into question. I'm not the worst, I'm not the best. So how did this become an issue about me? lol It didn't, just answering your pov.


I guess gnostics are included..."Archons" haha. Demons you mean? (this is directed at the one who referred to Archons, not you)

There is no higher God than the Lord of the Universe, the Father - the Son - and the Holy Spirit. No matter what gnostic texts say.

I find their texts humorous, yet dangerous. The Matrix was good though, so who am I to judge?


Gnostics, in practice not neccesarily theory, tend to construct evil activity as their own ends, symbolically embodying the low bar of mediocrity instead of seeing evil activity as a failing from the already existing calamity to perfection bar of reasooning. It's delusional, out-of-touch with commonly accepted reality, very creative, and very misleading and damaging to train oneself to believe. I didn't try to follow any gnostic belief systems, because I studied it and spotted the flaws without too much effort. To an earlier poster, I've never heard of the gospels considered gnostic texts before reading what you said here.
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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 07:16 PM
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Great thread, thanks for posting OP.

Humankind was hijacked sometime in the past. Think about the Avatar movie.

There is abundant archeological proof that there were advanced ancient societies on this planet. Then the reset button was hit. How long would it take after a devastating world war for the conquerors to erase and rewrite history in an attempt to bamboozle and enslave the remaining survivors? The dark ages would be a good place to look for evidence or lack of it since written records and those who possessed knowledge were destroyed. Then in the 1400's the propaganda machine was geared up again with the "invention" of the Gutenberg printing press. It even printed bibles...

The conquerors are still here, and they have enslaved Mankind by infiltrating the institutions that define our societies. And they still operate the propaganda machines.
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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 07:25 PM
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If that is the case then why does much of the upper echelon of society that promotes
propaganda and false ideals on humanity worship satan? If he is the good guy, why
do his worshippers eschew from doing good deeds instead of the opposite? Why do
satanists rape and sacrifice little kids?



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by Northwarden

Originally posted by NarrowGate
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If I could not "judge" and tell someone when they are in error in their actions or faith, I would be breaking the Golden Rule.


A wise man overlooks an offence, don't pay much attention to workers who grumble over you, and judge not lest you be judged also come to mind. The overlooked part of the golden rule, in treating others as you would be treated is that it was intended that people first attain a righteous attitude, and live a worthy life. It is then intended that judgements are made according to those high standards. It seems to me that people who try the least tend to use that statement the most, then politely pass off any topic of ethics in the same switched mode of mind. But if you involve your web in my life, guaranteed my web will involve itself in your web. Angels predate against demons, are infinately more powerful than demons in their points of order, with Gods backing, with wise watchdogs and stores of wisdom backing them up against the foolishness-in-wise-formats of countless hell-scum issues. The least of angels is potentially greater than the greatest of man, as man was made less than angels, and I'm convinced there are billions. This is no small moving force in our lives, in fact, it trumps everything. Feel safe


We love them, and therefore respect their society, protect their identities, and realize that evil hatreds against decent people hurt their hearts. The same hatred also strengthens demons and promotes their activity. Don't call Christians the foolish members of society, examine yourselves & I'm presently sold out of mirrors.


It applies to telling people you know where their eternal soul is going, and can be extended to other things as well.

You can not judge yourself as better than someone.


I can also judge myself as worthier, far worthier, than many an individual, based on easy comparasions - which I dislike making - between myself and others. That's confidence on the line, not under-confidence, not pride talking. I can see how little some give effort, fall short even when they do, and guage how much farther I'll go than they to meet my intended mark. Further, a wise archer over-shoots his/her mark to meet their target; I don't mind feminism as it counters centuries of chauvinism and Shariah law, as an example. We're all at different stages in our evolution, and everyone fluctuates in their ambitions and direction. It would be a shame to be all the same (an essential equality for rights, but a healthy deep sense/deep nonsense division among factions results in the preservation of actual classy human nature imo). If you want to compare me to a grade eights intelligence level, or a historical great like Emerson, I'll call your judgement into question. I'm not the worst, I'm not the best. So how did this become an issue about me? lol It didn't, just answering your pov.


To an earlier poster, I've never heard of the gospels considered gnostic texts before reading what you said here.
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This is imho a good example of where I can not judge in the sense you are talking. In my mind, it had appeared that you have forgotten 'when a wise man hears wisdom, he builds upon it' (paraphrase). I was not implying that what you said was wrong, but building upon it. You knew this, but could have neglected to attesting to knowing this. If I were of a foolish nature, this would make me think I am closer to "hitting my mark", in your analogy, than you are. The thing is, what you talk about is a very good example of what you can NOT judge. We all struggle with this aspect of it, because of just how deceiving appearances (both people, and situations) can be. The Father knows, and you can not judge yourself to be better than any man. You can, however, know when they are in error. This does not make you more worthy or better, because you do not know their full circumstances.

You do unto others as you would have others do unto you, so it is wise to point out to others what you believe is error. If they reject you, you still can not judge yourself as more worthy. If the issue is covered in public revelation, you can judge yourself as having a better understanding of that specific issue.

In all cases - regardless - do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Do not judge yourself as better than any man, even the poorest of sinners with the least understanding. You simply do not know.

Also, many Christians are foolish. That is obvious. Everybody plays the fool. The problem is the ones with power rejoice in playing the fool, because it is beneficial to their own families agenda - or their organizations agenda (not a mob reference haha).


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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 07:48 PM
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I used to think like you. I kept trying to use intellect to understand a problem of faith. The idea that Jesus and the devil are the same is fundamentally flawed. The difference is sin. The devil didn't want to give Adam and Eve knowledge, he wanted them to sin. Jesus does not want us to sin. Total opposites.

I can tell you that when you live you life right, you call feel the love inside you building. Just the same, it is possible to see evil in a person's eyes. From what I know about Satanism, it is done in the shadows. It involves deceit. The actions at Bohemian Grove and things like human and animal sacrifice are completely at odds with a loving being. Your logic is clearly that of a non-believer, which is fine. There are a lot of great books out there that use intellect in search of faith (The Case For Christ by Lee Strobel, comes to mind). All I can tell you is that as I became more of a believer my life became so much happier and settled. While it may not be true that every word of the scripture is "God's Word", the fact that this fascinating book (the Bible) has survived and been transcribed more than any other ancient document in history is truly a miracle. In looking around at this evil world some of my only comfort is knowing that the bible predicted all of this. I suggest that you look into the history of the scriptures and i think you will find that their reliability and continuity is better than you'd expect. Perhaps the archiological and historical background of the book would increase your understanding of its meaning.



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You seem far from a foolish nature, Narrowgate, and thank you for fair words. To look at one facet of the problem we face, thousands of hiphop gangsters tend to create an over-tough atmosphere, which attempts to uplift them with loud, usurped influence, and to absolutely brainwash every audience with their hero-maker status. Is degenerating anothers current form going to help them, and if the job is to degrade, does it truly make that person any "better" than who they diss? But that's essentially the underlay, the verbal arguement you are dealing with daily, behind the scenes. Even Christian artists of the same genre need to resort to the same loud, overbearing message just to compete it. You should know how much bs you're expected to follow to understand the meaning, and they charge in with their next rhyme as if you agreed with the previous X statements.

It's enough to make you want to want to fill a jar with your own piss, put a stain-resistant pentagram and a 33rd degree masonic badge in, and put it on display in a very popular gallery, isn't it?

I believe in seeing strong people develop, not weak-minded individuals who can't think on their feet. If that means casting some judgement along the way, then so be it, so long as one is prepared for the response. Or does "sparing the child the rod ..." always mean an actual rod on a child? We judge every single time we have to answer to a comparasion, or create one, and it's almost a municipal virtue, similar to punctuality, that people love to exploit. There is a preferred place for polite company that does not judge, preferably as often as possible, but as many of us have learned, most of the world already exists in a forsworn state of pre-judgement. It obstinately insists on grading people like cattle or food, by dividing and conquering through derision and black habits. Don't react on their terms, and don't accept their conclusions, is healthy advice.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by CaticusMaximus
I would also like to mention to anyone who might bring up that Jesus is related to Yahweh, that he isnt. If he was, he would have mentioned at SOME point, Yahweh by name or identifiable alias.

But he doesnt. "My Father in Heaven", "The Father", etc is the only way he addresses his parent. And seeing that he came to do away with the old laws, I doubt he would have Yahwehs support if Yahweh was actually his father.

Another conspiracy


His actual progenitor/source could not be Yahweh, as Yahweh is evil, and Jesus/Lucifer was clearly not. An apple tree does not create olive fruits, nor do wicked entities give birth to holy ones.
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you make a good story teller, i'll give you that, but you missed the part in the bible(KJV) where jesus says;" if you have seen me you have seen the father" and elsewhere" i and the father are one".
probably someone has already pointed this out, but i wont wade thru 4+ pages to check it, sorry.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 08:15 PM
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Some may buy the OP, many may not.
But really it doesn't matter, because this is just the OP's personal journey.
We each must go on our own journey. Yours, mine, his, her journey is irrelevant in relation to each other.
Life is a personal journey. We each have our own mind/consciousness which no one else can dictate unless you say otherwise.




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