Yahweh = Satan. They have you worshiping evil.

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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:02 PM
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He said that those who perform miracles and drive out demons in his name are evildoers. Guess who did both of those things in his name? Peter and Paul, who introduced faith and salvation and founded the church.

You seem to be pretty devoted, so what makes you think you haven't been deceived? Religion deceives people, just not you right?




posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by FichorkaI respect your argument. It's valid... to some point

However, what makes you think that shame and fear are not illusions?
How did Adam and Eve managed to live in Eden without Illusion of Fear and Shame? They just managed with no problems. They were content. Once this illusions were introduced to them they became ashamed of their bodies, something they hadn't previously felt. Did it help them, was shame usefull somehow? Wha'ts it for? It's an illusion. It doesn't actually exists. We just think it does because we think we feel it. But it's an illusion.
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Way too literal.
I think if there is any meaning to the A+E story, it is to be considered allegorious (that a word?). Anyhow,
Naked most likely means something on the lines of exposed, or ignorant, like a child is naked towards the sins of the world doesn't mean there is a naked child somewhere..it means they are without knowledge and unprotected.

Knowledge is armor..always has been.

Also, I don't see wrath in the movements, I see consequences. Such as, if we chopped down a tree, gods wrath doesn't make that tree fall..nature does, God in this instance is simply stating the fact...the tree is chopped, now you gotta deal with leaves falling, no shade, etc..
So, by unlocking whatever it is, we ultimately wrecked the eden experiment (contaminated it somehow) and ended up with -the rest of the humans- in Nod

No, I don't think there was a literal tree with fruit on it. The tree is some area of the...(craft?) place they were in that they entered and realized.

Ever see The Truman Show?

Maybe...



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by WarriorOfLight96
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Because only a few are gonna make it and Satan has the most followers and its easy because man is weak.


And what are the highest statistics in relation to the most "followers" of the Abrahamic God? Clearly this god, Yahweh has more followers on this planet at any given time than any of all the other possible gods.

It's because man is weak that he follows a false god and the false teachings found the Bible and the church, full of empty promises and threats for this life and the next.

It's only the few that find the God that dwells within, the I AM.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by WarriorOfLight96
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
 


Because only a few are gonna make it and Satan has the most followers and its easy because man is weak.

No, the question is why wouldn't Lucifer have the most followers given he is a pro at deception?
Instead, most of the globe tends to follow Yehweh in some form.

If indeed Lucifer was the father of lies, and your statement of how only a few are going to make it, and satan has the most followers...given the nature of the globe as it sits now (God having by far the most), then logically...using your logic that is, God is Satan and the world is currently fooled
Which is what the OPs is stating



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:17 PM
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Hi,

I know, I am always late for the party.

This thread and it's entire concept is based on a mistake made by unsupervised Neo-Platonists that ran away with themselves.

The entire Gnostic-Demiurge thing that ends up leaving Yahweh as some sort of dark usurper-god, is essentially Greek and Roman science fiction.

Plotinus tried to correct them...thriceholy.net...

thriceholy.net...

I'm sorry that you all have become confused around this, but you actually have to study the history and development of western philosophy to get it. If you haven't. then you don't,

And you get a thread like this.

This myth too, shall die.
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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:17 PM
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Because i am in not in any religion but I love those around me and those I help and I've seen things you have no idea is out their and I was wicked man when I was non believer and all I cared was to disprove God and instead found him. know the good by their fruit and not of what they want to be seen by their fellow man but instead be loving to those who want to hurt you. I am one with God and i speak with him through the holy ghost and with Christ in my heart i am forgiven for I am just a sinner.

Religion divides his flock and they bicker amongst them selves and steal from each other and so does governments who kill in his name. The children who suffer for land and oil and pierce themselves for money are all living the dream at the price of a human life. Test every thing and love those who try persecute you and take up your armor of God which is your love and his word for he has promised you and all you have to do ask for the eyes to see and ears to hear.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:18 PM
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And yet there is the issue of how hypocritical the Bible is, especially when it switches from the Old to the New Testament. The Old Testament is ADAMENT against sacrifice, yet suddenly the New Testament shows a human sacrifice (of Jesus) to wash away the sins of man... This stands in line with the basic elements of what the OP is trying to say...
Honestly if God is omnipotent and giver of life and all things, then there would be no need, or want for him to have to take the life of "his son" to wash away the sins of man.
Also, God would not feel anger. Anger is FEAR and God would know no fear. That is a need of the flesh to survive and protect ourselves from harm. He would have TOTAL understanding.
Sacrifice is something a false God or idol would require. IF you are going by what the Old Testament preaches...



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:19 PM
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The Fall

3 Now the Serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”

2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. 7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the Lord God called to the man, “Where are you?”

10 He answered, “I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid.”

11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”

12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

13 Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”

The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”

14 So the Lord God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this,

“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”
16 To the woman he said,

“I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
with painful labor you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”
17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”
20 Adam[c] named his wife Eve,[d] because she would become the mother of all the living.

21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:22 PM
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It doesn't matter how convincing your argument is. People who have been brainwashed since birth will never listen.

With that said, all you're doing is introducing people to Satanism. What deal did you make with Enki to create this thread and have it top listed?



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:22 PM
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Very glad to see that there are others who have put this together.


Yes, it is true.
Anyone and EVERYONE who is a bible believin "Christian" has been worshipping evil so to speak.
But then, so has everyone who adheres to a religion.

There is one common denominator which binds all Major religions.
One common thread which runs thru them all which is responsible for leading people astray.
This common bond is the reason why it doesn't matter to those truely in charge WHICH religion you belong to.
Only THAT you belong to one.

This is why certain secret societies don't care WHAT god you pray to, only that you have one.

The common thread is this.

ALL of them teach mankind to look outside of himself for salvation.
THat salvation can only come from a "savior".
It is disempowering to say the least.
It releives US of the cumbersome burdon of having to be responsible for our OWN salvation and makes us nothing more than sheep.

......and what do all sheep need?
You got it.
A shepard.

Once you free yourself of the threats of violence and torture from a "god" who loves us so much and start to take matters into your own hands then you can truely be free.

Whomever this "god" of the bible is, he isn't MY god and doesn't speak for me.
He can kiss my ass as far as I am concerned.

I have a power within me that is stronger than any force in the Universe.
I am all that IS, WAS, and ever will be.
I am the beginning and the end.
I am the Alpha and the Omega.
I am at one a creation and a creatOR.
I have within me a spark of divine creation which every single person on this planet has.
It is ME and I am IT.
I do not need a GOD to rule over me because I am GOD.


and so are you.
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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by WarriorOfLight96
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
 


Because i am in not in any religion but I love those around me and those I help and I've seen things you have no idea is out their and I was wicked man when I was non believer and all I cared was to disprove God


You were a wicked man...you -are- a wicked man...if the only thing holding you back is belief in a deity.....

What happens if one day you realize you were being a bit irrational about your salvation and lose the faith?

Your not being a good person because you simply want to be a good person..because you want to enjoy life and have others enjoy it equally. You are in a reward hunt now for whatever it is you think you uncovered.

And incidently, if you truly didn't believe in a deity, you wouldn't be obsessed with disproving the deity..it is akin to being obsessed with disproving tooth fairys..it simply wouldn't be in your field of interest.

For me, I am not on a crusade to disprove deitys...however religion..the manmade structure, tends to barge into my personal life, and so will spend time slamming it when slammable..but deities? pass. Frankly, I don't know..there could be..or beings so powerful they might as well be called that..but none of that is my concern overall.

But

I am a good person
Because..I want to be. Not because I have to be.
And that makes me superior to any religious person whom is good only because they fear a cloudman is watching them.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:29 PM
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96 people flagged a thread teaching you spiritual satanism.

www.angelfire.com...
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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:30 PM
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Let us not forget that the Old Testament foreshadowed and framed the New, with Jesus taking the best of the best sentiments from Isaiah and Psalms, Deuteronomy, and others, to shape his completion of the Prophecies and the Great Work.

Putting that framework into place and Civilizing the people was sure not an easy task, and it may be that the faults were with man, not God.

And then let us consider the "final solution" in the form of Jesus' sacrifice and triumph, as the focal point of God's love.

I cannot demonize God and will not do so.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:31 PM
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Many will say that they follow him but in their hearts and in private where human eyes cannot see is where they fall. you are only counting the ones that say they believe and we both know that's not the case, some Idol worship and some take Sunday as the holy day and we both no it's Friday evening to Saturday evening. Some believers condemn and judge because they feel superior when they have power.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:32 PM
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Did human write that, I wouldn't say that counting on his style, and terms?



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by Heisenberg59
96 people flagged a thread teaching you spiritual satanism.

www.angelfire.com...
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97 people flagged a thread teaching you spiritual freedom.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:34 PM
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God is an idea. A very dangerous one at that. It implies one is separate from everything else, though I'm afraid that is cancer. They can wait for eternity tearing at their honest being, but you and I can only help each other.

The devil sits quite complacent in the Timor Sea in fact. It really did give us some major issues.

bigthink.com...

They were just trying to make sure yawl don't become a bunch of extinct angels too. Because that is what "god" will do to you, if you expect him to save you.
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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by Heisenberg59
96 people flagged a thread teaching you spiritual satanism.

www.angelfire.com...
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No, they flagged a thread that demonstrates religion may not be so clear cut as the majority simply accept.

This is ATS...religion is one of the biggest and oldest conspiracys since the dawn of mankind..you seem to be bewildered as to why its being discussed here.
If all you got on this thread is Praise Satan, then your not engaging your critical thinking.

Ops is showing there is more than one perspective here, and so it may be wise to step back from all these "sides" and either take a moment to process it, or in a more rational case, simply walk away from both sides and become masters of our own destiny verses a chessmatch for some old school rivals using us as pawns to one up each other (if your still believing in the story anyhow).

I vote for the second bit...let us be our own people...Whomever created us, for whatever reason..cheers for that, and thanks for the whole free choice stuff..we choose to make it on our own for better or worse..
As we let our children become the people they want to be, so should we as a child race become what we want to be.



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by Heisenberg59

With that said, all you're doing is introducing people to Satanism.



Originally posted by Heisenberg59
96 people flagged a thread teaching you spiritual satanism.


I would never recommend anyone worship Satan/Yahweh. That should be clear via the OP.


Originally posted by Heisenberg59

What deal did you make with Enki to create this thread and have it top listed?


I am bound to no demon through contract or any other means. The OP was written as a distillation of my thoughts on this particular subject that have come to me independently over the years without external persuasion or through bribery and false promises, and represents no others will but my own.
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posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:37 PM
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Yep, I think both Moses and Jesus said something about the I Am being god. Apparently most people can't read the obvious and figure out that the "I Am" is them.

God is within us and we are within god. "As above, so below."





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