A contrast in how liberals and conservatives regard each other.

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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 06:04 PM
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Recently I commented in a thread where someone referenced Rational Wiki as its main source. I investigated the source material and found it to be extreme left-wing, which I stated in the thread. I was refuted and told that it was not, and in fact started by people who were kicked out of Conservapedia "for wanting it to contain those pesky things called 'facts'". I don't know if that is true or not.

So I investigated Conservapedia and it struck me that the two websites - one allegedly conservative, the other allegedly liberal - handled their subject matter quite differently, and I thought it might make for a very telling thread in which to have spirited discussion.

Let's look at the same entry in each website:


Conservapedia Entry on Bill Clinton

Snippet:

Bill Clinton (formally William Jefferson Clinton; born William Jefferson Blythe III) (b.August 19, 1946),was president of the United States, elected in 1992 and reelected in 1996. Previously he had served as governor of Arkansas. His administration was characterized by sustained prosperity, a budget surplus, free trade internationally, military interventions in southeastern Europe, reform of the New Deal welfare system, and an impeachment. While Clinton takes economic credit, most of the success in his era can be traced to Republican majorities in Congress that crafted welfare reforms and a budget surplus. The House of Representatives would impeach Clinton for obstruction of justice and perjury, while the Senate would fail to convict, and he served out his term. Clinton was later found in contempt by a federal judge for lying under oath and he subsequently was disbarred for ethical violations. Clinton, a policy wonk, was (with Ronald Reagan) one of the two best campaigners in recent decades. Although a mediocre speaker Clinton became known as "the Great Campaigner." His discursive style is personal and intimate, yet, thanks to television, was vicariously enjoyed by large audiences. Like Ronald Reagan. Clinton used his rhetorical skills to achieve political success; he survived despite legislative defeats, repeated scandal (he was notorious as a womanizer) and an actual impeachment.[1]


Rational Wiki Entry on Ronald Reagan:

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Saint Ronald Wilson Reagan, aka: Grandpa Caligula, Teflon Ron, or Ronnie Raygun (February 6, 1911 – June 5, 2004) was a god among men B-movie actor with a long career of destroying free societies.
If you want to know why the United States has become an international laughingstock in recent years, here's a pretty good place to start.


Oh, damn. Do I have to quote any more than that?

Very interesting, yeah? This is very indicative of the manner with which the two sides conduct themselves, in my experience.

Discuss.





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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 06:09 PM
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Good point... couldn't have said it better



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 06:12 PM
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Well, being my village's idiot, it took me a moment to analyze, and, comprehend your statement.
Upon serious reflection, and, introspection, I agree completely.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 06:16 PM
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Yeah yeah, hit the enter key before I started typing. Sue me.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 06:19 PM
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You know, A Liberal Court would find you Not Guilty for that , even though U...R.....



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 06:34 PM
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If you guys want a good read on this subject get "Conflict of Visions" by Thomas Sowell.

It's a good primer for his other book "Intellectuals and Society".



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 07:04 PM
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I can only wonder why some of you seem so intent on dividing people and perpetuating the media's "liberals versus conservatives" propaganda.

Yes, it is true that liberals and conservatives both sometimes have VERY different views on things. It is true that members of both sides can stoop to mockery, ridicule, and name-calling.

However, i think there are some basic things which most rational human beings can agree with, regardless of what they may self-identify as, or what the media might want to label them.

I think it's interesting that some of you seem to want to inject hatred against the opposing camp into every issue. I've seen this countless times, highlighted by all the recent anti-gun debate, where many of you self-identifying as "conservatives" try to make it sound like every "liberal" out there wants to steal your guns. That's simply not true. And IMO that is even a falsehood created by The MEDIA. I've known plenty of liberals who are pro-gun. What's so "liberal" about wanting to take away personal rights, anyway? That's only "liberal" on the evening news.

Likewise, I've known a reasonable number of "conservatives" who weren't ravingly anti-muslim, or falling all over themselves to praise the Bush administration. (Though many of them seem to agree that Ray-Gun was a good dude
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Seriously.... I urge you... I BEG YOU to look for common ground and stop trying to divide our people. If you understand logic, strategy, and have a strong interest in "conspiracy theories" it should be fairly easy for you to figure out that this is exactly what "they" want to happen. Don't be fooled. You're better than that.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by iwilliam
I can only wonder why some of you seem so intent on dividing people and perpetuating the media's "liberals versus conservatives" propaganda.


Read the sources. Tell me WHO is being divisive here.

This is in black and white for all to see. There is no debate over how these two organizations conduct themselves.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 07:27 PM
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Liberal/Progressives/Democrats are the subversives. They started the KKK, They founded Nazi Germany, The USSR and so forth.

Then they blamed it all on their opposition when they lost...and people lapped it up. It's history folks...look it up!
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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 07:32 PM
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Star for that reply. No two sides are the best bet.

I consider my self to be liberally conservative. I don't abide by any party.

I am though getting to the point of screw divide and conquer...let's just conquer. And I am ashamed, but it is true.

There seems to be no more compromise these days.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 07:33 PM
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Liberals tend to try to confuse issues and come in the back door.
Most Conservatives will come right out and call a kettle black.I Am one!!






posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by iwilliam
I can only wonder why some of you seem so intent on dividing people and perpetuating the media's "liberals versus conservatives" propaganda.


Read the sources. Tell me WHO is being divisive here.

This is in black and white for all to see. There is no debate over how these two organizations conduct themselves.
You mean that both sites read like they are written by the sort of wackos that create an entire encyclopedia centered around their political ideology?



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 08:28 PM
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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by AwakeinNM

Originally posted by iwilliam
I can only wonder why some of you seem so intent on dividing people and perpetuating the media's "liberals versus conservatives" propaganda.


Read the sources. Tell me WHO is being divisive here.

This is in black and white for all to see. There is no debate over how these two organizations conduct themselves.




I've read the source. And YOU are the one being divisive here. What part of that do you not understand?

I will agree with you that Rational Wiki is biased. No doubt. CONSERVapedia is clearly biased as well, though I will agree with you, again, that their articles seem to be more objectively written in this case. See what I mean? Reasonable human beings can agree on reasonable things when they're trying to be reasonable and look for truth and common ground-- instead of trying to drum up hatred for the opposite camp-- which is clearly what you seem to be doing. I can only wonder why that is you seem to want to push this agenda so hard.

Again-- both sides have done disingenuous and underhanded things. Many members of both camps also happen to care about the country and want to do what they think is best for the country. I still think maybe if we keep it as a goal, and look hard enough, maybe we can find common ground in some of the areas where we seem so divided.

Unless you'd rather the country remain divided, for some reason.......

I guess some people just can't get past believing what they see on Faux News. (Or CNN, or MSNBC, for that matter....)




posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 09:16 PM
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What is a Liberal? The term derives from the word "liberty", and describes one who aspires to preserve liberty for all people. Having said that, how in the hell can we call today's "Liberals"... liberal? The only liberty they aspire to preserve are gay marriage and abortion. They don't fight for all liberty, in fact, modern "Liberals" seek to expand the role and scope of Government, and when that occurs individual liberties are destroyed and usurped as a result. From now on let's be honest... let's stop calling them Liberals and call them Progressives, or Authoritarians.

What is a Conservative? Well, the easy answer is "someone who seeks to conserve". That may be in reference to fiscal policy, family values, religious doctrine, or constitutional rights. Not all Conservatives are created equal, and most Conservatives do not agree with each other on numerous topics, although the MSM would have you believe that Conservative is a general, all encompassing term to describe one's political ideology. When someone says that they are a Conservative, ask that person what exactly it is that they are trying to conserve.


What am I? I am a "Classical Liberal", or "Paleo-Conservative". I could care less about the left/right paradigm that the two ideologies mentioned above exist in, because both sides represent a false choice... an illusion.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 10:37 PM
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Okay, I've got to say, my first post was made in jest as the OP had an empty space when I clicked on the thread.
However, I find myself in agreement with the OP in a great many of his other posts I've seen here on ATS.


We do need to stop the bitter back and forth between liberal vs conservative.

Divide and conquer is the name of the game here in America today, people.

And, it's proceeding full speed ahead. Can it be stopped before it's too late?

That depends on how many wake up and see what's happening before the true tipping point is reached.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 10:51 PM
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Liberals and conservatives can't be used to describe the democrats and republicans of the US. Other countries have liberals but the democrats are far more centrist than the republicans will admit. Case is point: Obama has bombed various Muslim nations without declaration of war, has spent more in national defence than any other president and despite what everyone thinks has done nothing to create stricter gun control. These are not the actions of a liberal, even his liberal movement ie obamacare is a national health care system than is primitive compared to every other developed nation on earth. US republicans are more to the right than most other conservatives in other countries: bringing religion into politics, being anti-science(climate change, Big Bang theory, quantum physics, evolution),anti-gay, thinking women have anti-raping powers (lol that last one was just for fun)...I'm a conservative in Canada but if I were a republican I'd be embarrassed to be in the same group as some of those backward thinking old men(not all republicans are like this of course)



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 10:57 PM
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Both these sites are covered in trolls!

Conservapedia talks about connections between lesbianism and obesity, that 'Out for Justice' (a Steven Seagal film) is intelligent, has all kinds of nonsense trying to claim 'Atheism offers no condemnation of rape' etc ... The definition of liberals is also small minded and ridiculous opening with 'a liberal is someone who favors censorship of Christianity'.

Rationalwiki is almost exactly the same. Constantly referring to conservatives as insane, constant swearing, references to people being pig-ignorant morons and all the rest of it ... In fact much of it is worse given you don't even need to sign up to start editing.

Summary:
- The internet is covered in trolls
- The sites are on the internet
- The sites can be edited by trolls
- Ergo we are discussing trolls!



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:44 AM
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Originally posted by iwilliam

I've read the source. And YOU are the one being divisive here.


Wrong again. I am simply sourcing two websites to illustrate the manner in which they regard their 'opposition'.

Let me explain it a little better since you are a little slow. The "conservative" website says this about Bill Maher:


Bill Maher (1956- ) is a left-wing talk show host. He is also a socialist, atheist and liberal comedian, actor, writer, producer, and Democratic Party activist. Maher supports the legalization of marijuana, gay marriage, gambling and prostitution. He is most notable as the host of Real Time with Bill Maher, which airs on the HBO television network. Maher formerly hosted Politically Incorrect on ABC.


Holy cow - that's pretty damn accurate and rather polite, would you not agree?


Contrast that with what the "liberal" site says about Rush Limbaugh:


ush Hudson "Don't Call Me Cigar Face" Limbaugh III (born 12 January 1951 - not dead yet) is a Big Fat Idiot, comedian radio talk show host, recovering drug addict,[1] college drop-out, and political commentator. It is a scat-muncher. Hatched from a slimy pit in Cape Girardeau, Missouri…


Wow again. Anything in there remotely resemble any sort of civil discourse?


I'm being divisive by drawing attention to liberals' (communists') vile, rude behavior? Aww. try not to get your feelings hurt too badly, sport.


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