More Enemies of the 2nd Amendment Surface in Miami- City offering Miami Heat Tickets for Guns, page 1


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reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 01:16 PM by TrueAmerican
reply to post by Wrabbit2000


The way I see it, ANY federal, state or city gun buy back program is a further attempt to disarm the population. And I'm not having it.

And furthermore, there ought to be legislation passed at all levels of government to make gun buyback programs completely illegal. There is no constitutional mandate for this whatsoever. It goes against every grain of the 2nd. It's more incremental power grabbing, and more incremental subversion of the Constitution. It's BS, is what it is.
edit on Sun Jan 20th 2013 by TrueAmerican because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 01:18 PM by ldyserenity
reply to post by TrueAmerican


Well that isn't gonna work because if you can find me one Miami Heat fan in the entire state well I bet you could knock me over with a feather if there is one.
They suck so bad, who would...nevermind.


reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 01:26 PM by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by TrueAmerican

I respect everyone's opinion on this but the extreme positions being taken by all sides aren't productive or even helpful ..It's turning to SUCH extremes that bridges are burned getting there by both ends. Bridges not so easily replaced after this whole current round of headaches passes. Perhaps that's the point though. If we're at each other, we can't stop and focus on anything higher up.

There are over 270 Million guns in the nation. There isn't much doubt in my mind several million are floating in places they shouldn't be and millions more are the true cheap junk that is almost disposable for the low quality.

If buy backs at reasonable numbers get the crap off the street and get the guns out of the hands of people so simple minded to consider a $50 gift card as a fair trade? Well, I have to wonder, years ago and before the politics hit the firewalls, how objectionable was this?

These programs have been running for year after year for a LONG time now. They're nothing new despite the SUPER-Politics being played with some of them today. Still.... All the sudden, long standing programs are the end of freedom as we know it? There ARE threats, NO question. Seeing EVERYTHING as a dire threat makes us all look like fruit loops though.

Extremes here are doing real damage the more it goes, I think.


reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 01:44 PM by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by sonnny1

It's not fair to compare the two sides entirely and say there is equivalency. After all, the gun rights lobby was minding it's own business when some loony tune in CT broke with reality and unleashed a nightmare. No one asked for this...and no one but the extremes of the gun grabber crowd have been pushing this with enthusiasm. So, there isn't a question who drew first blood, so to speak and who KEEPS pushing with all they have.

Having said that..... The response has been to run to the OTHER extreme and now even things considered reasonable for decades are called a bridge too far and deal breaking concepts. No background check for ANYONE? No restrictions for Felons? mental cases? Dishonorable Discharges? These are among the EXTREME ideas I've heard put forth in reaction to the extremes coming from Washington and California's favorite Senator.

One extreme is FEEDING the other though and both are feeding the whole situation higher and higher for tensions. It's getting scary for the way it's gaining a momentum all it's own....and the only ones to BENEFIT are the Politicians far enough above and protected from the population that they'll NEVER suffer anything they're lining US all up for personally.

They'll watch us, as citizens, feed EACH OTHER through the meat grinders while they attend the cocktail party circuit uninterrupted.


reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 01:52 PM by TrueAmerican
I mean seriously, look at what some communities are having to resort to in Dallas, to counter this insanity:

On January 19th, A local Dallas Presbyterian church held a gun buyback program in attempt to “counter” gun violence in America. Since the church was also destroying the guns they were purchasing, in theory, you could argue they are making a safer home. However this Saturday, another group of citizens exercised their right to a much different version of a safe home just across the street from the gun buyback.


Right on the other side of the Stewpot (where the buyback actually took place), gun enthusiasts along with many others just simply seeking protection for themselves and/or their families rallied to counter the Buyback program and were successful in finding new homes for around 50 guns. In America at this time, guns are nearly impossible to obtain or are extremely overpriced due to fear of coming legislation on guns. So, It was very nice to see many new owners and sellers walk away both equally happy. The Stewpot was paying $50 for most guns brought through the door, and up to $200 for “military style” weapons. Across the street, owners were fetching $350-550 for SKS’s and $200-$400 for most handguns. A much more favorable deal for any seller.

Although being reported by media as a “auction”, it was clearly not due to the fact the seller was asked after haggling but before finalizing if they were happy with the price and sure they wanted to sell it, obviously much different than a real auction, and also legal in the State of Texas (which it should be).


wtfrly.com...

Good on them.

So show me the constitutional mandate for government sponsored buyback programs, wrabbit, and I will concede.
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reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 01:59 PM by Liquesence
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
I mean seriously, look at what some communities are having to resort to in Dallas, to counter this insanity:

On January 19th, A local Dallas Presbyterian church held a gun buyback program in attempt to “counter” gun violence in America. Since the church was also destroying the guns they were purchasing, in theory, you could argue they are making a safer home. However this Saturday, another group of citizens exercised their right to a much different version of a safe home just across the street from the gun buyback.


Right on the other side of the Stewpot (where the buyback actually took place), gun enthusiasts along with many others just simply seeking protection for themselves and/or their families rallied to counter the Buyback program and were successful in finding new homes for around 50 guns. In America at this time, guns are nearly impossible to obtain or are extremely overpriced due to fear of coming legislation on guns. So, It was very nice to see many new owners and sellers walk away both equally happy. The Stewpot was paying $50 for most guns brought through the door, and up to $200 for “military style” weapons. Across the street, owners were fetching $350-550 for SKS’s and $200-$400 for most handguns. A much more favorable deal for any seller.

Although being reported by media as a “auction”, it was clearly not due to the fact the seller was asked after haggling but before finalizing if they were happy with the price and sure they wanted to sell it, obviously much different than a real auction, and also legal in the State of Texas (which it should be).


wtfrly.com...

Good on them.

So show me the constitutional mandate for government sponsored buyback programs, wrabbit, and I will concede.
edit on Sun Jan 20th 2013 by TrueAmerican because: (no reason given)


Wow.

Auctioning SKS and other guns. No telling what kinda of criminal riff-raff could acquire such weapons, without any kind of check.

Was there any kind of check on the buyers, or were these people just selling guns simply as a counter-gesture in-your-face to the buy-backs?

If there's no check at all on the buyers, this is just stupid. Any kind of criminal with the money could win the auction and take home a gun no--or very few--questions asked.

I can understand a family legitimately needing a gun for protection, but to just set up shop at an action for whoever to purchase?

*shakes head*


reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 02:30 PM by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by TrueAmerican

Now the private buyback works just fine for me too. Either way, the same end result is reached and that's what I don't have a problem with. People who either have junk that are barely worthy of being called a firearm or people without the good sense to really be armed in the first place ....voluntarily disarm. It's voluntary and that's where it all matters to me.

The alternative here is to say we actually prefer having guns in circulation with people who actually don't WANT them ...as peddling them off for a $50 gift card pretty clearly says to me. It beats them peddling it off to someone they don't know, offering twice that with criminal intent. We're not talking about solid, responsible and sensible gun owners here anyway. None will part with anything worth having for this program ...so it rules out a vast majority of people we'd normally be talking about out the gate.


As far as justification? C'mon... That's kinda silly. This isn't the Federal Government here and that DOES make night/day difference. So is the process and ease to CHANGE the Government at the local level, hence the whole different level of power and options they have. Is it constitutional to enforce traffic laws? How about fishing or hunting regulations? There are uncountable things that would never hold to Federal Constitutional standard done at STATE level and under the 10th. They cannot VIOLATE the Constitution (which these programs don't) but they, as states, don't have to find the power specifically outlined to be able to exercise it.

Think they go to far? That's why we can sue cities and states into Federal court. Checks and Balances...and normally they work well enough.
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