Wha-ohh. The President swears to preserve, protect, and defend the wrong document.

At first I thought you were posting the video to show the irony of Obama swearing on those words; despite the fact he's been desecrating the Constitution since his first term. Indefinite detention, Patriot Act, kill list, cracking down on legal marijuana dispensaries, etc. Seeing him swear to uphold the Constitution seems like one big joke.

Though I have not read all the posts, there are those that have asked if the constitution of The United States is also the same as The constitution of The United States of America. In short, no it is not. Even with the IRS tax code there is a distinction between "The United States" (UN) and "The United States of America". That being said, the UN did not exist at the time when the oath was first penned and needed not have 'America' added.

However, since the United Nations aka 'United States' is now in existence there is a need to clarify as to which is being referred too. As the OP so apply pointed out, words have meaning beyond our assumptions as any attorney can inform you of this. So technically he swore an oath to the UN and not the USA though it's understood that USA is implied but legally holds no weight. The oath is a binding verbal contract and what is said or omitted holds weight. Do not assume that he 'implied' America as he can just as easily reply that he implied nothing of the sort.

Since the Chief Justus is the one who administered the oath, he and Obama (an attorney) are both fully aware of what was said and what was not said. President Obama made no errors so don't try and fault him of his reciting of the oath as presented to him by the Chief Justus.

For those that desire to further their word knowledge, grab a copy of Blacks Law Dictionary, you may be unpleasantly surprised at what you discover.

It would do well for people to remember that he promised "change" though he did not say What he would "change", When he would "change" things, How the "change" would occur or Whom the "change" would effect and YOU forgot to ask.

Originally posted by pstrron
Since the Chief Justus is the one who administered the oath, he and Obama (an attorney) are both fully aware of what was said and what was not said. President Obama made no errors so don't try and fault him of his reciting of the oath as presented to him by the Chief Justus.

he recited exactly the same oath as every previous president....

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he recited exactly the same oath as every previous president....

Exactly, now go and try that in a court of law and see how far it gets you. Do not assume anything. Like I had said, America was implied by the peoples understanding but no such reference was made. Whole court cases are either won or lost on a single word either said/written or omitted. It is a technicality that can be exploited either way.

'America' was not stated nor has it been previously, yet the fact remains, that there are now two separate entities, the United Nations aka United States and the United States of America. Which one was he referring too? You have assumed he was referring to the United States of America but no where did he say America. He has a clear argument should anyone try and impeach him for going against the constitution of the United States of America. He can state emphatically that he never swore an oath or implied to uphold the constitution of the United States of America but only to the constitution of the United States.

I'm not stating that this is in fact what he did, just pointing out that he does have a way around constitutional law should he decide to exorcize it.

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No one has ever referred to the United Nations as the United States. It is the United Nations.

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Or... They could just be repeating it for the spectacle.

If the swear in excludes the word "America"....is it POSSIBLE that every president in U.S. history has been a fraud? Is this why they are never held accountable, for their actions, to the citizens of AMERICA? Saying i swear to uphold the Constitution of the United States...can mean ANYTHING. Our country is called: the United States of America. Leaving out the word "America" could be key! Heck, the official name of Mexico is (in english): The United States of Mexico. Why would they leave out the word "America"?

Originally posted by BlowinSmoke
If the swear in excludes the word "America"...

It doesnt include the word "America" - how about you have a look at the constitution?

THIS thread is one of the reasons we can't have nice things (like, for an example, an interesting board with unbiased, non-TPTB-news).

See here: Why ATS is going south..

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OH SNAP! He's like, totally illegitimate.

The anti-Obama crowd are such malcontent contrarians. It's comical how much they'll reach to try and get a 1up on Obama.

You're totally right. There is no "one-upping" this guy ... natural born winner



And this was back in 09'. Numbers are much higher now. Go Obama.

Originally posted by IndieA
Here is what the POTUS said, "to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the United States.”

Here is what he REALLY said:

After spending the past few hours digging into the Supreme Court cases, USC and IRS codes, it has become quite clear that the use of 'United States' and not adding America is correct. Obama is the president of the United States and not the president of the United States of America of which there are two. They are in fact two separate entities as stated before. The United States of America can sue and be sued but the United States can not except by act of law passed by congress.

28 U.S.C. 3002 clearly states what the United States is. However, The IRS code gives three different definitions depending on how they wish to use it. THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA Inc. and THE UNITED STATES of AMERICA Corp. are both Delaware corporations and thus separate.

The United States can refer to just the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, any possession of the United States [Guam, American Samoa, and the Virgin Islands], the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, and the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands or to include the 50 states as set forth by the Supreme Court, USC and IRS codes.

Even Congresswoman Barbara B. Kennelly, from Connecticut, on January 24, 1996, had to request the definition of the meaning of "State" as there were several different meanings depending upon how it was used in the USC and IRS codes.

In the final analysis the term 'United States' will mean whatever they determine it to mean at the time and to whom or what it may apply.

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If only he would have said "Constitution FOR The United States". Had he done that, it would have been for the nation, rather than the corporation!

So we have video of Obama lying under oath, so can we impeach him now please?

2nd

Where is his disclaimer about the amendments?
Did he have his fingers crossed or something?

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I agree, but at the same time 97% of the population never take an oath so why would they know it.

Originally posted by IndieA
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WHY NOT?!!!!!!!!!!!

Words have meanings.

Do you think it has anything to do with the US being a corporate entity?

Some people say the country went bankrupt in 1933 and the bankruptcy has just been being managed by the central banks this whole time.

All I know is that the document our founding fathers wrote was titled The Constitution of the United States of America, and I have never heard of, or seen, the constitution of the United States.

have you ever looked at the constitution ? the original document ?

"we the people, of the united states, in order to form a .....this consitution of the united states of america"

they use both versions. your argument is silly

Originally posted by Raelsatu
At first I thought you were posting the video to show the irony of Obama swearing on those words; despite the fact he's been desecrating the Constitution since his first term. Indefinite detention, Patriot Act, kill list, cracking down on legal marijuana dispensaries, etc. Seeing him swear to uphold the Constitution seems like one big joke.

when jefferson executed the lousiana purchase, he himself said he "stretched the constutution so far it nearly cracked"

jefferson

they all do what they feel is necessary

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You are mistaken. If you happen to run across the REAL, ORIGINAL, GENERIC Constitution, you will find that it reads; The Constitution FOR The United States of America.

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