Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by sk0rpi0n
Its not like Christians and Jews would approve of muslims who speak out against al-qaeda. Fortunately, the Koran teaches us...
And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion.
THAT ^^^ is a misconception. The Koran teaches you WRONGLY. Now we're gettng somewhere with this thread.
The West thinks that "Muslims will never approve of us (the West) until we follow their religion." And that isn't just Jews and
Christians, you know. "The West" is everyone who isn't Muslim! That's a big difference.
But okay, thanks for letting me know how you see things.
In that case the Qur'an is teaching VERY wrongly. It seems to be making the mistake that many people also make - lumping everyone together in like,
but separate baskets, fostering mistrust. It is a self-fulfilling prophecy if allowed to run unchecked.
I can tell you, with not a shred of doubt in my mind, that Christians and Muslims can get along VERY well, if allowed to - or if they ignore consensus
and seize the opportunity for themselves, reclaim their OWN power outside of the basket their fellows have allowed themselves to be herded into, like
so many sheep for the slaughter.
It requires a degree of respect, a quality that appears to be lacking in both camps. People who allow themselves to be herded into the basket also
allow other folks, those in control of that particular basket of sacrificial lambs, to also issue opinion for them, neglecting to think for
themselves. They can have no more respect than they are issued, and sadly that demonstrates to my mind a supreme lack of respect for even themselves -
how then can they respect anyone else in order to get along? That's true of many Muslims, and equally true of many Christians. They believe what they
are told to believe about others, rather than finding out for themselves, and in the process gaining and giving some much needed respect.
WITHOUT that respect, the end result will eventually be the burning of all the baskets around the inhabitants, until nothing remains but a single
charred corpse, the lone "victor".
WHY do many Christians think they have a peculiar responsibility to "save" me, even if I want no part of their sort of salvation? Why do many Muslims
feel a pressing need to convert me to Islam, even if I wan nothing to do with their conversion? Why can they not let me, and every other Christian,
Muslim, or what have you live in peace? It's because of what their "leaders" tell them, the opinions that are issued to them.
Once you get beyond that, get to a place where you can live and let live, where you think for yourself without having to have a "leader" issue thought
to you, and tell you what to think, life gets a lot better. When you see the "other" for what they are, people, capable of deciding for themselves
what they want, and willing to face the judgement on their own account when that comes, then respect is allowed to blossom, and people can get along
famously. There is no need for me to "convert" any Muslim any where on the planet, or any Christian either. They are adults, able to think for
themselves and willing to bear the consequences of their decisions in the hereafter. Likewise, there is no need for any of them to convert ME to their
brand of religion, as I also am an adult, able to think for myself and bear the consequences of my actions.
So then. Think for yourselves. Let power hungry "leaders", just itching to create more "followers" using YOU as their agent, languish. See people for
what they are, and accept that they have their own minds and decisions. Allow each to go his own way, unfettered and unbound, and watch the
animosities fade away. So YOUR religion is "the best"? Good for you! Enjoy it, but allow me my own. To attempt to convert me tells me that you
consider me an inferior, and there then is no respect there, in either direction. It only ends in pain for all.
When that day comes, when people can let other people just BE what they want, we can all get along, and get along VERY well.
Jump out of the basket, think for yourself, and let the "leaders" be cast adrift to survive on their own devices, rather than yours. Instead, enter
the path with the rest of us, each going his own way unmolested and resting as he likes, yourself included.
Then there will be peace.
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