Masonry is not Real Enlightenment, page 6

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reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 07:21 AM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by network dude

Whence came you?

To make it easier for him: Take your multiple choice pick:

a) From the East
b) From a lodge, just, upright and regular
c) From King Solomons Abode
d) From a Lodge of the Holy Saints John of Jerusalem
e) From the West
f) From Abroad
g) From Within
h) From Here
i) From my heart

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reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 07:26 AM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by PnezakYahakotima
God finds you when you need him the most..... when all desire is dead within you and you are utterly broken beyond repair.

This sounds pretty severe. Are you suggesting I break everyone utterly beyond repair to help them find God?

reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 07:30 AM by Unity_99

It doesnt matter what levels of awareness or knowledge is attained. And some of it, especially as you go further up is distortion, their duality concepts and especially the idea of God as if both polarities, is completely distorted, and as wolves serving this God, they've basically fallen into some pretty big traps, and don't understand the cosmic sting operation that is taking place. You can't harm or lower frequency. That is just hellzones.

Aside from all of that. Any organization that demands secrecy, that signs contracts, that penalizes those who speak, that perverts justice to honor their brothers such as some of the cases of judges not according justice, but siding with their lodge members instead, etc etc, anything that fuels the shadow paramilitary power, and subverts freedom and equality of the masses, that puts itself above others, is intrinsically EVIL.

So, I'd rethink all of that. Because from my understanding, everyone has Love in them and Light in them, and many Masons are good guys, or should be, but its easy to be roped into, hierarchies.

To me its just one more group in a world that compartmentalizes information and runs a slave camp. I wouldn't make a blanket statement that some masons have not found enlightenment, I think that potential is across board in all aspects of humanity. Even in prison, and on death row, some have found enlightenment. Even in concentration camps, in hospitals, in coma. There is not cut and dried for that. i think they do have potentially access to some knowledge however, but its not the right way. Its in a club, and all clubs serve dictators.

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reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 07:36 AM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Unity_99
equality of the masses, that puts itself above others, is intrinsically EVIL.

its easy to be roped into, hierarchies.

So to you a perfect world is one where everyone is stripped of rank and merit?

reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 07:41 AM by Unity_99

reply to post by Skyfloating

Pretty much. In fact a real Higher Up in spirit, would seek the lowest person and proclaim them the greatest and I mean this in a metaphorical and spiritual way. For that is what Love does, and Higher Ups are only Love. They don't take on airs, they are humble of heart, so we're using the words Higher Ups, its not theirs.

I believe completely in 100% equality and have known all my life, even from early childhood when I had Higher Self contact the anything else was evil.

All information and knowledge is equally shared and all people need to be empowered, sharing this world, educated, and abundance for all.

No special groups. That is not how anything is done.

There are higher levels of knowledge or realms, but on a planet your sharing that one. You get to the next one by graduating the lessons in this plane. But the heirarchies are not meant to exist on a planet.

Those things are part of the very tests here, and they've been put here by ETs, and Higher Beings, we're meant to say, This is Terrible, Its Not Right! The problem is, many don't seem to realize they're supposed to say No to this. Like a sting operation.

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reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 07:45 AM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by Skyfloating

Pretty much. In fact a real Higher Up in spirit, would seek the lowest person and proclaim them the greatest and I mean this in a metaphorical and spiritual way. For that is what Love does, and Higher Ups are only Love. They don't take on airs, they are humble of heart, so we're using the words Higher Ups, its not theirs.

But in your system there would be no "lowest" for love to go to.

There would be no difference between getting surgery from a medical doctor or a nurse, because there is no hierarchy.

Talk about evil...

reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 07:45 AM by Saurus

reply to post by Unity_99

"The Level demonstrates that we are all sprung from the same stock, partakers of the same nature and sharers in the same hope; and although distinctions among men are necessary to preserve subordination, yet ought no eminence of situation make us forget that [ ] he who is placed on the lowest spoke of fortune's wheel is equally entitled to our regard, as a time will come [ ] when all distinctions, save those of goodness and virtue, shall cease, and death, the grand leveller of all human greatness, reduce us to the same state."

Is this (quoted above) what you believe then?

Would it surprise you to learn that it is a word for word quote from one of the most important pieces of Masonic ritual, which every Mason will ultimately memorize?

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reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 07:48 AM by Unity_99

Not in mine, but in the current.

I was going to make a differentiation, in that, the world is set up to be pretty crappy, as a giant test. That would imply there are wolves playing the wolf role, but it doesnt actually work that way. If someone hands you a game or structure, that is half dark and half light squares, and yet all the pieces are changeable, you can build what you want. Some people, would immediately set about recreating a higher level planet or heavenly domain, of equality, love and abundance, healing and joy for all, and others, fail to do this. Thats the kind of test or sting operation this is.

reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 08:00 AM by Unity_99

So what I'm saying is I've met some good people who were/are Masons and Rosicrucians, though we inevitably disagreed very much on the nature of Spirit, God, Family above and polarities, and there being a real Good and Bad, in the end the duality god they spoke of, or promoted and couldn't be sure of that, was not going to cut it with me. And I touch soul stone, remember some aspects of where I came from and know where I'm going. Its not like that, is very important the choices we're making here. I think some of the knowledge has been passed on, from past cycles, but, those contracts are not good things. They seem to be the way in which this world is controlled. That is the whole problem, the secrecy and contracts. In the past this was a highly persecuted group, and this was life and death. Now its a part of the hidden powers and one world government that is already in place and is controlling things, though not without infighting. And I personally believe the bullies doing the NWO will find themselves at odds with each other.

I have faith though, for nothing that is not meant to happen will happen, and only what is worthy of the tests, can occur, so no matter goes down, we're kind of in a magical universe, and the power of our thoughts can make a difference. So its not really win or lose that counts, or even outcome, but the effort and choices we make along the way. The rest is all controlled from on High, that being the next levels up.

But those who think they're on high here, are actually testee's just like the rest of us.

reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 08:05 AM by network dude

reply to post by Unity_99

In masonry, we are all on the level. Meaning all are equal. There are not Higher or lower masons, only brothers. The upper tiers and higher up's are just fantasies that uneducated people with an ax to grind perpetuate. Once you are raised a master mason, you are told that you are as much a mason as any man in the room. Our whole structure is based on equality. Yes there are POSITIONS of respect, but those positions are filled with different men each year. It's an honor to be in them, but once you have been in them, you spend your time helping others since you now have the experience to do so.

It's a shame more people don't understand our group.

reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 08:09 AM by PnezakYahakotima

reply to post by Unity_99

No I completely agree with you.

Everything helps.

However, like you said, I think many masons attaining deeper levels of knowledge get twisted along the way.

I don't think masonry itself as it stands today is representative of true wisdom. Any kind of masonry whether it blatantly calls itself that or not... all of these groups have been infiltrated and distorted.

The proof is in the collective pudding. Masons will play this sort of quiz game all day, and I'm not going to play it.

This isn't for parrot masons. This is for people who question their belief systems, their "hierarchies", be they mason or thelemite or jew or christian or Buddhist.

Remove intellectual games from the equation and look with the reflective power of your heart, and what do you see when you look at what traditional masons have accomplished.

A big pile of dog doo, with glorified maggots dancing on the top. Any "freedom" granted to the common man is merely a distraction so they won't notice the rancid nature of their surroundings.

True initiation is simply living life as you are, free of dogmatic laws and symbolism. It seems that masons here act more in rigid tandem than even the most fanatical believers in Jesus Christ.

I thought masonry was supposed to free your mind? I remember at a certain point when I was in close association with a few mason/esotericist friends of mine, actively practicing masonic and esoteric tenets, I found myself losing my own voice, my own ability to be critical... we all sounded like the same person.

That is exactly what I see here, the behavior displayed by masons when you begin to question their "non-religion".

It's a religion alright, and not one of humility and compassion.

I remember you from way back, skyfloating. I saw you change....

Whoever you really are gets lost. I know. I've experienced it. That's not healthy or conducive to a flourishing culture. It's called a monoculture, and within a relatively short time, monoculture snuffs out all diversity and eats itself dry.

The whole reason I ever looked towards Freemasonry or any other "mystery school" for answers was because I was impatient and felt powerless.

Masonry as it stands is all about gaining power, not wisdom.

Sometimes being powerless is okay. True power lies with the powerless, anyway... in their innocence.

The most decorated masons are the microbes.

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reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 08:15 AM by PnezakYahakotima

ALL HAIL THE MASTER BUILDER, KING GERM!!!

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY BOOK OF GERM!!!

ON THIS BOOK WE SWEAR OUR ALLEGIENCE!!!

MAY WE NEVER SEIZE WITH FORCE!!!!

MAY WE ONLY CREEP FROM NOW UNTIL KINGDOM COME!!!

ALL HAIL KING GERM!!!

reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 08:17 AM by network dude

reply to post by PnezakYahakotima

Yea, I didn't think you could answer it. No worries, just don't' claim to be something that you are not.
Misleading the public is such an ugly thing to do.

reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 08:17 AM by Saurus

Originally posted by PnezakYahakotima

I remember you from way back, skyfloating. I saw you change....

Yes, he is so much wiser now...

reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 08:18 AM by PnezakYahakotima

reply to post by network dude

Nice. Do you wear that mask to all your charity banquets?

reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 08:18 AM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by PnezakYahakotima
I remember you from way back, skyfloating. I saw you change....
Whoever you really are gets lost. I know. I've experienced it. That's not healthy or conducive to a flourishing culture. It's called a monoculture, and within a relatively short time, monoculture snuffs out all diversity and eats itself dry.

I dont share your pessimistic views.

Masonry as it stands is all about gaining power, not wisdom.

Masonry is whatever people bring into it.

Put differently: "The only zen that you can find on a mountaintop, is the zen you bring there".

reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 08:21 AM by Skyfloating

reply to post by Unity_99

Id submit that having a world of light only (rather than light and darkness) would prevent us from exercising and practicing choice...

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reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 08:21 AM by Unity_99

reply to post by network dude

But they are one more compartment of information or knowledge and priviledge in a world that is treated far differently.

Here we have/had, so many opportunities to create eutopia. Its not easy to see, that people have choices here, and need to choose right that way, not play around as wolves, for example, on all levels, and in fact equalize on all levels, share and help one another, due to the fact that the system responds, and access from "sides" managing this planet, occurs due to choices and frequencies here. So the more hierarchies, ruthlessness, dark things occur, the more negative beings can access. Some could even set themselves up replacing some of the leaders, if enough permissions are given. But we're supposed to resist evil, even in the world, and overcome it with love. That in turn brings in the opposite, Good accessing and assisting.

I'm not being critical of the integrity or goodness in most masons. I think there are many white hats amongst them, that being a common term, and I'm tired,up half the night so don't want to think in my post.

Its everybody else, outside of the Brotherhood, that counts, the most.

The point of striving to grow up, out of the kindergarden class, is to reach the level of being a good parent, teacher, babysitter, guardian or mature family member, to the children. A loving adult would die for a child, give their sustenance, do all they could to ensure the child is well, healthy, able to grow their talents and gifts, not being abused and bullied by others, gaining in self esteem and empowerment and hence growing up well.

Anyone else who is not striving for a world like that, is not grown up themselves but is in fact, smaller than the children, because many of them do see equality and helping as very important. So many of them have surpassed the elites and the compartmentalization, already.

edit to add: I'm aware that alot of this is about choices. Not just amongst masons, but also amongst the populous. People have to chose to think wisely, think of abundance for all and use their minds to persistantly speak up and out. So part of this lack is also relating to not enough doing that. Its not all cut and dried.

But signing your life on a contract is not a good thing.

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reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 08:26 AM by network dude

Originally posted by PnezakYahakotima
reply to post by network dude

Nice. Do you wear that mask to all your charity banquets?

Amazingly enough, I am the same person no matter where I go. If you don't like it, you don't have to hang around. I will still be just as happy as I was.

But then again, I am not the one who is so insecure in my beliefs that I feel the need to attack another's beliefs to make me feel more secure. The mirror is a fine place for you to start looking.

reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 08:29 AM by network dude

reply to post by Unity_99

All I can do is tell you what I know. Beyond that, you have to make up your own mind.
You can chose to listen to the men who are in the inside and would love to share what they know with you, or you can continue to listen to people who have never been on the inside and must manufacture their beliefs in order to paint a complete picture.