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Originally posted by The Vagabond
What could Kubrick possibly have had worth supressing -IF- there was any supression? Technique.
Originally posted by genuineninja
in order to trigger thermonuclear reactions within jupiter the planet would have to have at least ten times its current mass in order to have enough gravity to compress its gases enough for nuclear reactions to start. These people going on and on about the space probe with the nuke/battery really have to idea about how stars work.
As for stanley kubrick and the "eyes wide shut" i've only seen the last 15 mins of the movie so i cant comment.
Originally posted by twitchy
Something else about 2001 that struck me as odd were them monoliths...some black coloress hard message that Kubrick is trying to convey. He had been asked many times in his life was to what the monoliths represented, but he took that to his grave as well I suppose.
* All of the "Dawn of Man" scenes, except for "Moonwatcher" demolishing the tapir skeleton with a bone, were shot on an indoor set using an elaborate front projection system created especially for the film.
* The main Discovery set was built by aircraft manufacturer Vickers-Armstrong inside a 12-meter by two-meter drum designed to rotate at five km per hour. It cost $750,000.
* Kubrick cut 19 minutes from the film’s original 158-minute running time after its New York premiere, mostly to speed up the pacing.
Originally posted by lmgnyc
Kubrick cut about 19 minutes of 2001 immediately after the premiere--could that be what you are referring to? Kubrick claims that he removed the footage because after seeing it a few more times, he felt that it still could be further improved. Although not completely unheard of, to recut the film after it was already in release was still rather unusual. The film premiere was on April 2, 1968, and a week later, instructions were sent to theater owners on what scenes had to be cut out. Perhaps this is where the story about cutting the film with scissors evolved from.
The links below discuss the material that was edited from the film--the second link includes a better description of what was edited after the premiere, which removed some scenes of Poole jogging in the centrifuge, a few shots from the "Dawn of Man" sequence, a sequence of shots where Dave Bowman searches for the replacement antenna part in storage, a scene where HAL severs radio communication between Discovery and Poole's pod before killing him, and some shots of Poole's space walk before he is killed. Future versions of 2001 added some title inserts and a few additional shots. The DVD version of the film is even slightly different as several lines of dialogue have been changed.
Originally posted by Byrd
Originally posted by curme
Wasn't Arthur C. Clarke part of a group of writers hired by the government just to sit around and think of cool ideas? Anyone ever here of that?
No... and niether has Sir Arthur Clarke heard of that. He's been writing scifi since Moses was a corporal and doesn't work for anyone except himself.
Originally posted by Cicada
Here's the thread where I originally posted this
Originally posted by shadow watcher
wow, what a well written paper. I never knew so much meaning was hidden within that movie. I must buy the dvd now. I haven't watched the movie since the 70's. Thanks for the link!
One last interesting note to all of this. The great alchemist Fulcanelli and others have said that a great transmutation of the human species is going to takes place at some time near the end of the 20th century and the beginning of the 21st. Kubrick picked the date 2001 - which is astonishingly close to other dates prescribed by many ancient alchemists - including Nostradamus. What are we to make of the strange date that Kubrick picked out for the final transformation of the human species?
n 2002, William Karel released a spoof documentary film, Dark Side of the Moon, 'exposing' how Kubrick was recruited to fake the Moon landings, and featured interviews with, among others, Kubrick's widow and a swag of American statesmen including Henry Kissinger and Donald Rumsfeld.
It was an elaborate joke: interviews and other footage were presented out of context and in some cases completely staged, with actors playing interviewees who had never existed (and in many cases named after characters from Kubrick's films, just one of many clues included to reveal the joke to the alert viewer).
Kubrick himself often trimmed his films up to and even after they were released. He cut out a climactic cream-pie fight from Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb before the film was released and shot an entirely new ending.
He cut out 19 minutes of 2001: A Space Odyssey after its New York premiere to speed up the pacing of certain scenes.
A year after its release, Kubrick trimmed some frames out of A Clockwork Orange to get the rating changed from an X to an R.
And he cut out an epilogue scene from The Shining after it had been playing in New York theaters for five days. Also, he cut another 20 minutes from this film for its international release.
However, since Kubrick made all these cuts himself, and since he had the right of final cut on almost all of his films, none of the cut footage mentioned above has been made available for any video or rerelease versions of any of the films. The international video version of The Shining does restore the 20 minutes cut from the theatrical release.
Originally posted by twitchy
I don't know how much you guys know about the film industry, but to make a long story short, a 'final print' is the reels of film that have been edited to a finished product. There is only one of them until the film makes it to duplication and gets distributed. On a major film, it is literally worth millions of dollars and is the ultimate culmination of the entire budget in a few metal cases. Stanley Kubrik was particularly careful with his final prints, often having motorcades and security ad nauseum to transport his final prints from place to place. Now that said, consider this...
While transporting the final print of 2001, Stanley Kubrik's train was stopped mid-route and boarded by federal agents, and spoke privately to Mr. Kubrik. He literally took a pair of siscors to his final print, cutting out a large amount of footage and handing it over to them. As to what scene was cut or who it was that wanted it removed, is one of many secrets Stanely Kubrik would take to his grave.