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reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 11:41 AM by blupblup
Originally posted by FlyersFan
- Vatican City is a country.
- The Pope is head of a country AND head of a religion
- The country of Vatican City is pushing it's own agenda on another country.




You can make it about Two countries if you like... you have an agenda and have a very warped, nasty and twisted view of the world.... you can't handle that the Pope is speaking out against something that you agree with so instead of talking about what it is... a RELIGIOUS issue, you're dishonestly making it about a Country issue.

Completely dishonest and pathetic.




I'm not twisting anything. What it is exactly is one country pushing it's agenda on another country. That's something the left wing usually gets uptight about when America does it to other countries. But for some reason, it's okay with them when the country of The Vatican does it to America since it fits their left winganti-gun agenda??



You keep saying Euro-centric like it means something..... The Pope IS European, the Vatican IS in EUROPE.

Sheesh...






mmmmm .... no. Doubt it. The Vatican didn't come out and say that they are against law abiding American citizens exercising their 2nd Amendment Constitutional right to self protection with handguns because of religious reasons. And even if they did ... it's still none of their business and it still would be pushing their agenda onto another country.




And ANYONE who calls for less killings, less guns and less "Machine guns" whether in their own country, another country, for religious reasons or just humane reasons, is a good person who wants people to not get shot.



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reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 11:43 AM by KingIcarus
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by intrepid
Now here's a religion that is supporting a gov't endeavor and it's OH SO WRONG!!! Pick and choose.

Here's a COUNTRY that is interfering in the workings of another COUNTRY. Eurocentric and former Hitler-Youth Pope Benedict needs to clean up his own mess (pedophiles, Vatican Bank, etc) before pushing his anti-gun agenda on the USA.


I have to say, mate, it's a bit rich being outraged about another country having - god forbid - something to say about American politics. America is quite literally fighting two wars to influence the politics of other countries as we speak.

Also, you seem very keen on the word 'eurocentric' but it has nothing at all to do with this discussion. Guns are perfectly legal in pretty much every European country - subject to local restrictions. And so what if the Vatican is 'eurocentric'? It's a European country, and there's about 750,000,000 of us Europeans. That's almost three Europeans to every American.

For me personally, the whole Vatican thing is a shady organisation motivated by religious supremacy, as such I don't give a fig what it has to say about anything - so why should you? Because it's critiscising America this time?

The way you state your case, no-one has a right to say anything unless their own affairs are squeaky clean. Do you think America's are? I'd suggest the existence of extra rendition and a legal black hole on an enemy Communist island are evidence that they're not.

Listen, I like America and Americans, but the way some of you think you are beyond critiscism or reproach is laughable.

Peace.


reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 11:59 AM by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by netwarrior


Well said, man. All of you that are saying that Jesus would be in favor of banning guns, I suggest you pick up a bible and go back and read. Pacifists don't tell their followers to sell their cloak and buy swords. Pacifists don't get all WWE inside the temples when they see how much of a circus Sabbath had become.


The Prince of Peace is a misnomer?

Jesus was ferocious? He encouraged armament?

Good to know - it explains so much...

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This isn't how I understand it, and I actually mean no disrespect

I think I've made my point as well as I can make it - or not

Peace out kids


reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 12:28 PM by FlyersFan
Originally posted by blupblup
You can make it about Two countries if you like...

I'm not 'making it' about anything ... I"m telling it like it is.
you have an agenda and have a very warped, nasty and twisted view of the world....

Oh blah blah blah ...

you can't handle that the Pope is speaking out against something that you agree with so instead of talking about what it is... a RELIGIOUS issue, you're dishonestly making it about a Country issue.

You can't handle the fact that it really is another country that is pushing it's agenda onto ours so you sugar coat it because you happen to agree with what that other country is trying to push.
Completely dishonest and pathetic.

Right back atchya.

You keep saying Euro-centric like it means something..... The Pope IS European, the Vatican IS in EUROPE.

.. and yet you keep claiming this is a religious issue. The Catholic church is supposed to be UNIVERSAL and not eurocentric. The fact that the Vatican is constantly pushing it's eurocentric anti-American agenda is more proof that this is a political issue and not a religious one.

Sheesh...

Again .. right back atchya.

And ANYONE who calls for less killings, less guns and less "Machine guns" whether in their own country, another country, for religious reasons or just humane reasons, is a good person who wants people to not get shot.

Epic fail. If those people really cared about others, they wouldn't be trying to take away the self protection of law abiding citizens. Those trying to take guns away from the law abiding will leave guns with the criminals and just cause more innocent deaths .. not less. But the truth be damned .. those people just want to push their far left agenda ...


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reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 12:36 PM by FlyersFan
Originally posted by KingIcarus
I have to say, mate, it's a bit rich being outraged about another country having - god forbid - something to say about American politics. America is quite literally fighting two wars to influence the politics of other countries as we speak.

.... and there you go. The far left in this country, and others around the world, get ticked off about America sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong (like in Libya for example) ... but those same far lefters here who are screaming how evil America is are just fine with the Vatican sticking it's nose in where it doesn't belong. The reason .. because they agree with the agenda this time. It's hypocritical.

Also, you seem very keen on the word 'eurocentric' but it has nothing at all to do with this discussion.

It has everything to do with the discussion. People who claim this is a religious issue are dead wrong. The Catholic Church is supposed to be UNIVERSAL and SALVATION orientated. Instead, what they are doing is EUROCENTRIC and trying to make America to be politically like Europe. This isn't the first time they have done this, and I'm sure it won't be the last. The Vatican, being eurocentric, is more proof that it's pushing a political agenda and not just trying to be good christians (or whatever).

For me personally, the whole Vatican thing is a shady organisation motivated by religious supremacy, as such I don't give a fig what it has to say about anything - so why should you?

There ya' go ... so shouldn't citizens of a country be concerned when a massive shady organisation, that runs an entire country, tries to influence our laws? I'd say that's a big YES!


reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 12:51 PM by KingIcarus
reply to post by FlyersFan


Hmmm... I think you have quite a distorted view of Europe.

Anyhow, you don't have to be far left to have concerns over America's involvement in certain conflicts. Not thinking a war is worth the cost isn't evidence of any political leaning - only that, on balance, the risk and reward don't match up. In Britain the general feel is that Iraq and Afghanistan have cost too many lives and too much money to achieve relatively little that makes us or local people safer of happier. This isn't a left/right wing issue.

As for shady organisations, I'm referring more to the Vaticans appararnt pursuit of wealth generation which is contrary to their apparant aims. This said, is that any more shady than the government of another country using UK airports to secretly transport 'people of interest' to a legal black hole in Cuba or black sites in Eastern Europe without informing or receiving permission from your supposed ally? I'd say holding people indefinitely without charge or legal advice is the definition of shady.

Anyhow, America is not evil. No-one thinks that. However, it is a country with a track record of manipulating the agenda of other countries, whether or not invited to do so. As such, I don't think you can complain too much when someone else has something to say about you.

In any event, the Vatican statement on this issue was probably prompted by a comment request - almost certainly coming from an American news source.


reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 12:53 PM by intrepid
reply to post by FlyersFan


That begs a question then. How can anyone get upset over this? If a country has "said" something about another country how can one from THAT country get bent out of shape when their country doesn't "say", they spend billions of dollars to interfere in other countries?

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