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Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
Forget about the Pope then (though that's what this thread is about)
Forget about what the Pope may or may not have to do with Jesus (which is also - what this thread is about)
Convince me - religion should have nothing to do with gun control?
It either does have something to do with it - or nothing at all - please explain which
I'm seriously asking
edit on 1/20/2013 by Spiramirabilis because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
The pope's stand on gun control on the law abidding is unfortunately, only supporting these elements and detracting far from the religion that he was supposed to be teaching.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
- Vatican City is a country.
- The Pope is head of a country AND head of a religion
- The country of Vatican City is pushing it's own agenda on another country.
I'm not twisting anything. What it is exactly is one country pushing it's agenda on another country. That's something the left wing usually gets uptight about when America does it to other countries. But for some reason, it's okay with them when the country of The Vatican does it to America since it fits their left winganti-gun agenda??
mmmmm .... no. Doubt it. The Vatican didn't come out and say that they are against law abiding American citizens exercising their 2nd Amendment Constitutional right to self protection with handguns because of religious reasons. And even if they did ... it's still none of their business and it still would be pushing their agenda onto another country.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by intrepid
Now here's a religion that is supporting a gov't endeavor and it's OH SO WRONG!!! Pick and choose.
Here's a COUNTRY that is interfering in the workings of another COUNTRY. Eurocentric and former Hitler-Youth Pope Benedict needs to clean up his own mess (pedophiles, Vatican Bank, etc) before pushing his anti-gun agenda on the USA.
Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
the same Jesus that hung out with armed apostles who chop off Roman ears......
That Jesus?
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
Forget about the Pope then (though that's what this thread is about)
Forget about what the Pope may or may not have to do with Jesus (which is also - what this thread is about)
Convince me - religion should have nothing to do with gun control?
It either does have something to do with it - or nothing at all - please explain which
I'm seriously asking
edit on 1/20/2013 by Spiramirabilis because: (no reason given)
You raised an interesting question, and hope you may allow me to reply.
Religion teaches mankind a set of moral and ethical guidelines to follow inorder to progress and evolve.
Unfortunately, there are some elements of humanity that refuses to follow such guidelines and had sought to carve their own paths that pits itself with the very guidelines majority of humanity follows.
The use of force is their way, and thus for mankind to stand still is to be eradicated by them.
The pope's stand on gun control on the law abidding is unfortunately, only supporting these elements and detracting far from the religion that he was supposed to be teaching.
Originally posted by UmbraSumus
Originally posted by zedVSzardoz
the same Jesus that hung out with armed apostles who chop off Roman ears......
That Jesus?
Didn`t Jesus rebuke Paul for chopping off that ear ?
Well said, man. All of you that are saying that Jesus would be in favor of banning guns, I suggest you pick up a bible and go back and read. Pacifists don't tell their followers to sell their cloak and buy swords. Pacifists don't get all WWE inside the temples when they see how much of a circus Sabbath had become.
Originally posted by DaTroof
OK, so you're in the middle of a shopping mall with a knife. How many people can you kill? Same shopping mall, this time with an AR-15 and multiple magazines. How many people can you kill?
OK, now you can stop using the "X can kill, ban X" fallacy.
I'm not a fan of the Vatican, but at least they are right on this one.
Originally posted by blupblup
You can make it about Two countries if you like...
you have an agenda and have a very warped, nasty and twisted view of the world....
you can't handle that the Pope is speaking out against something that you agree with so instead of talking about what it is... a RELIGIOUS issue, you're dishonestly making it about a Country issue.
Completely dishonest and pathetic.
You keep saying Euro-centric like it means something..... The Pope IS European, the Vatican IS in EUROPE.
Sheesh...
And ANYONE who calls for less killings, less guns and less "Machine guns" whether in their own country, another country, for religious reasons or just humane reasons, is a good person who wants people to not get shot.
Originally posted by KingIcarus
I have to say, mate, it's a bit rich being outraged about another country having - god forbid - something to say about American politics. America is quite literally fighting two wars to influence the politics of other countries as we speak.
Also, you seem very keen on the word 'eurocentric' but it has nothing at all to do with this discussion.
For me personally, the whole Vatican thing is a shady organisation motivated by religious supremacy, as such I don't give a fig what it has to say about anything - so why should you?
Originally posted by FlyersFan
There ya' go ... so shouldn't citizens of a country be concerned when a massive shady organisation, that runs an entire country, tries to influence our laws? I'd say that's a big YES!
Originally posted by intrepid
Do you know how many countries in the world think the EXACT same thing about the US government?
Originally posted by KingIcarus
Hmmm... I think you have quite a distorted view of Europe.
it is a country with a track record of manipulating the agenda of other countries, whether or not invited to do so.
As such, I don't think you can complain too much when someone else has something to say about you.
Originally posted by intrepid
How can anyone get upset over this?
If a country has "said" something about another country how can one from THAT country get bent out of shape when their country doesn't "say", they spend billions of dollars to interfere in that country?