Can Waves and the physical world be separate?, page 1


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reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 01:21 AM by jiggerj
reply to post by SilentKoala




What you said about those fundamental particles being composed of "waves" sounds like a crude understanding of String Theory which, albeit interesting, is a model of the universe that is entirely theoretical and has never been proven empirically.


Thanks for the reply, SK. I don't think the double-slit experiment involves string theory. I guess it's a fact that waves turn into particles and particles turn back into waves. The double-slit experiment proves this with photons. So, if a photon particle reverts back into a wave when not being observed, then why can't this happen with more complex matter? I dunno.


reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 01:32 AM by Astyanax
reply to post by jiggerj

What I'm getting from the world of quantum physics is that waves of energy become particles, particles become atoms, atoms become molecules, molecules become everything that we can see and touch (well, something along these lines anyway).

That's not right. Everything is a wave – or rather, everything has a wavefunction. Just as everything is a 'particle', you see – a collection of particles can be treated as one big particle by averaging out the behaviour of its components.


reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 04:34 AM by hadriana
reply to post by jiggerj


You would have to pound it hard enough that the friction would burn it up. Then the carbon and hydrogen and water would need some light energy and it's energy would fertilize a cane or beet plant to grow and then some human work fueled by glucose already present would make it into a sugar cube again.
For us Organic creatures, life is a big cycle but I ate too much sugar and got kinda fat.
Hope you don't wanna see the math for that.


reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 07:09 AM by jiggerj
Originally posted by hadriana
reply to post by jiggerj


You would have to pound it hard enough that the friction would burn it up. Then the carbon and hydrogen and water would need some light energy and it's energy would fertilize a cane or beet plant to grow and then some human work fueled by glucose already present would make it into a sugar cube again.
For us Organic creatures, life is a big cycle but I ate too much sugar and got kinda fat.
Hope you don't wanna see the math for that.



I can't seem to get my basic premise across. I don't want to burn up matter so that it becomes a different form of energy. I want to know if it is possible to revert matter back into (what should be) its basic form. Water is 2 parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. If we can separate the hydrogen from the oxygen, then why can't we release the waves that make up atoms? (Jeez, I still don't think I made it clear enough! Grrrr!)


reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 09:49 AM by vasaga
reply to post by yampa


Just some guy?
Robert Paul Lanza (born 11 February 1956) is an American Doctor of Medicine, scientist, Chief Scientific Officer of Advanced Cell Technology (ACT)[1] and Adjunct Professor at the Institute for Regenerative Medicine, Wake Forest University School of Medicine.

Source

And it's actually a theory of everything. You can look up Biocentrism. In fact, here's a links.
www.biocentricity.net...

The most important point of his video (my prior post) comes after 4:45, where there's supposed to be different laws for the small and the big, and he challenges that. What exactly is wrong with that?

Also.. Let me leave this to you, since you're promoting scientism, not science.
The Folly of Scientism
edit on 20-1-2013 by vasaga because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 20-1-2013 @ 09:58 AM by yampa
Originally posted by vasaga
reply to post by yampa


Just some guy?
Robert Paul Lanza (born 11 February 1956) is an American Doctor of Medicine, scientist, Chief Scientific Officer of Advanced Cell Technology (ACT)[1] and Adjunct Professor at the Institute for Regenerative Medicine, Wake Forest University School of Medicine.

Source

And it's actually a theory of everything. You can look up Biocentrism. In fact, here's a links.
www.biocentricity.net...

The most important point of his video comes after 4:45, where there's supposed to be different laws for the small and the big, and he challenges that. What exactly is wrong with that?

Also.. Let me leave this to you, since you're promoting scientism, not science.
The Folly of Scientism
edit on 20-1-2013 by vasaga because: (no reason given)


What is wrong with it is that he tries to replace a rocky theory with a fantasy that he has made up in head, rather than offering superior math or physical theory. He has no physical theory and in fact overtly states that he is trying to transcend physical theory by promoting biology as the solution to the structure of reality. That is so assbackwards I can't even say.

The only reason he is able to disguise this babble as science is because of the terrible weaknesses in current quantum theory.

If you're trying to diss me for demanding we use scientific principles to establish the structure of reality, then please continue. Let's see how far you get with any serious intellectual problem without it.
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