School Uniforms....THE CONSPIRACY

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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 03:00 AM
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There are pros and cons. Uniforms is just about as it is names, unification and uniformity both visual but of behavior and mentality, processed humans that shall be as similar as possible in all aspects.

I strongly believe that going that path even considering the benefits of normalization and stability is ultimately a loss for out species but this is the edge we must travel between individuality and the collective.

The best option in my view is permit people to freely chose where they fit and protect the freedom to chose by preserving alternatives.




posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 04:53 AM
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People are just as nasty as kids.....You never really see six year old's committing drive-by's do you?

America is a 'dog eat dog society', which I may dislike....However, I'm saying it is petty and beyond ignorant to try and ease the problems between social classes by instituting uniforms and nobody says a god damn word, about the people forced to live in the ghettos or on the street, while others live in mansions, or nice sub-divisions....Nobody says anything about instituting uniform motor vehicles; this guy is driving a Bentley, while I drive an Oldsmobile from the 90's.......Does that not cause stress, feelings of inadequacy, or depression? Of course it does, but nobody seems to be addressing those issues...

America teaches you from a young age, you gotta have a nice car, big house, and lots of money in your bank account...Obviously not everybody can comply or fit in here, so why aren't we doing anything about these things?

Why are we complaining about the kind of clothes are children wear? That is the least of our damn problems.


Sure other kids may pick on you about what kind of shoes/trainers you wear, or if you wear their own stupid Aeropostale shirts; but even in uniform they are still going to find ways to be nasty....It will either be because your face looks funny, your eyes are brown or slanted, you don't have the right hair color, you are a 'minority' race, what type of music you listen to isn't 'cool', what neighborhood you live in, or what kind of car your parents drop you off in...

Clothing of our children is just another scam to say "Hey lookie we are actually doing something for you guys.."
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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 05:07 AM
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Because this isn't about society at large, this is simply about trying to maintain a stable and balanced learning environment.

If you remove one of the things that can distinguish children from one another that highlights perceived flaws such as "being poor" or not having the right gear, then the kids can and do focus more on other things, such as their education.

Actually, by making kids not care about who has the right trainers etc, you may end up having it feed into larger society as they grow up.

The impression I get from the media etc (and I admit this is going to be skewed) is that US schools are heavily focussed on "being popular/cool", what with the endless streams of proms, cheerleaders, jocks, pep rallies and all the other totally irrelevant bullcrap that appears to go on.

By making everyone wear a uniform, this does mitigate that effect somewhat and the kids can focus on being popular over their personality, not what trainers they are wearing.

It is also simply good discipline. Why do you think (again, this is from a UK perspective) the Army makes such a fuss over ironing your uniform, folding bedsheets and polishing shoes? Because good discipline in the little area's such as your appearance translates as good discipline where it counts and in this case, that would be the child's learning which is the only reason they are at school anyway, not to make friends or be the best at performing a borderline pornographic dance for your football team.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 05:15 AM
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Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
Sure other kids may pick on you about what kind of shoes/trainers you wear, or if you wear their own stupid Aeropostale shirts; but even in uniform they are still going to find ways to be nasty....It will either be because your face looks funny, your eyes are brown or slanted, you don't have the right hair color, you are a 'minority' race, what type of music you listen to isn't 'cool', what neighborhood you live in, or what kind of car your parents drop you off in...


Agreed, but removing a main area of bullying such as clothing, which is a big indicator of your socio-economic status, it helps. Yes, you get crap for being dropped off in a bright yellow VW camper van, or the fact your dad is a soldier so doesn't earn as much as your mates banker dad, or if you have ginger hair (not me, but I picked on kids for that myself)..

The fact though that we were all in the same clothing kind of instigated a sort of "brotherhood" (it was an all boys school too, something else I support - separating the sexes) so it never got that bad and we would more likely focus our boy-anger at the other schools instead.

For mixed schools, having a uniform also comes some way to cancelling out the sexualisation of the children as the girls cannot wear questionable outfits. I do still see many hitching the skirt up once they are out of school grounds, but while in school they are all below the knee and the boys concentrate better..

Thinking about it, I don't appear to know of any schools in the UK which don't have a uniform.. I am sure there are some, but they are few and far between and we have the 6th best education system in the world, apparently
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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 06:00 AM
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I agree with the principle of easing their social issues...But uniforms aren't really going to cut it anyways, because they don't do anything to change it in the 'real world'...What does it matter if they make you wear a uniform at school, but when you leave school, you go right back to the socio-economic clothing you would have been wearing anyways?

It doesn't do any good to say, "Hey let's make you guys all look alike so you can't argue about anything."

When right out of school, they aren't going to do anything about your adult life of making everybody look the same...

It's half-assed fairness in my opinion...



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 06:27 AM
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I was told by a teacher at school once, that one of the many reasons for wearing a uniform (some other reasons mentioned in Stu's posts) was to prime you for the work place.

The majority have to wear uniforms or specific clothes to work, a lot of workplaces have strict guidelines on what you can and cannot wear. Whether it be cargo trousers and a company branded polo shirt, to wearing a suit for Men or a formal blouse and skirt for Women in an office type environment.

If you were to turn up for work not in uniform or the correct attire for your specific job, i would imagine your bosses would not be too happy and would probably be sent home to dress more appropriately. Just like when kids turn up at school not wearing the correct uniform or clothing.

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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 07:28 AM
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In my country,South Africa,there was never a choice.School uniforms are and has always been the way things are done.From the most elitist private schools to the poorest township schools.The style of uniform is determined by each individual school.

The difference being only in the styles and price range, here the exclusively black schools in the townships were the leaders in COMMON SENSE,imo.
The typical summer uniform would be for girls and boys a plain white cotton shirt,and a simple A-line,and usually black/grey skirt for girls,black/grey pants for boys.For winter,a windbreaker or jersey in the same colors.All to be had at a chain called Pep Stores,at very affordable prices.All that would have to be added,would be a school badge to be sewn on to the shirt or jersey to identify the school,but they never bothered with that much,anyway.So black parents,good for them,got off a bit easier.

When it comes to private schools and previously whites-only government schools,the uniforms were fancier in style,and thus fairly expensive, to extremely expensive for the private ones,i should imagine.This is the case to the present day.

The plus points of uniforms: They are a socio-economic "equaliser,at least as far as school clothing go,and although not always cheap,still ,A HELLUVA LOT CHEAPER THAN ORDINARY CLOTHES,especially considering how the price of regular clothing rises every year

My gripe with it is that i believe it supresses even the slightest attempt at individualism.To this day at my daghters high school,there's rules about the length of their nails,how many and what style of earrings they may wear,what type of hairdye colors and hairstyles are acceptable,etc.That to me'is just petty in the extreme,and does seem to have "hive element" to it.The Stepford Children



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by ldyserenity
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It's not about abiding or not...it's a scam and a sham...it's bull crap. We never had to wear them and there were never school shootings while us eighties generation went to school. And no it's not less money it's more and here there are only a few suppliers all within the very same price range which is HIGHER than the cost of a normal pair of jeans or what ever. If my kid would agree to homeschooling, she would be, because the piss poor education system in the States to begin with.


What has wearing school uniforms got to do with school shootings?? School uniforms are a blessing in my opinion, and my non-sheeple, original thinking little 13 year old wears one every day, in fact, she has said to me that life would be a nightmare if she had to pick an outfit every day, (it would have to be the right shoes, vans, converse, tops, superdry etc), and god help you if you wore the same one twice in a row. In fact, "charity wear what you like fridays", are bad enough, cos i usually have to buy a whole new wardrobe. And she will wear exactly what she wants to them, cos thats the sort of kid she is, but for some other kids the fact that they dont have vans/superdry, will result in an unbearable day in school.
Suck it up, not everything is there to take away your liberty, and if it is, use it to your own advantage.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 08:52 AM
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Yeah, sorry OP, I have to say this is a non-issue. Kids have been wearing school uniforms for centuries - there's no conspiracy. My daughter goes to a charter school that requires uniforms, but they don't care where you buy them. I have been known to even shop at the evil Walmart, because their uniforms are good quality at cheap prices - much better quality than their regular clothes. Before uniforms, I used to buy a lot of my daughter's "regular" clothes at Target, and I spent much more money then, than I do now.

My 11-year-old daughter hates school uniforms (not surprisingly), but I love them. I'm tired of seeing these high school girls with their "I'm a little whore" clothes they get away with wearing at schools with no uniforms. It wasn't that way when I was in high school, but things have certainly changed. I think teaching kids to have a little modesty and decorum is a good thing. My daughter is so used to wearing the khakis that when she tried on some "skinny jeans" the other day, she complained at how tight they were on her. She chose some jeans that were looser and didn't "accentuate" her body so much. Yay to that!!



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by ldyserenity
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It's not about abiding or not...it's a scam and a sham...it's bull crap. We never had to wear them and there were never school shootings while us eighties generation went to school. And no it's not less money it's more and here there are only a few suppliers all within the very same price range which is HIGHER than the cost of a normal pair of jeans or what ever. If my kid would agree to homeschooling, she would be, because the piss poor education system in the States to begin with.


If you can't afford to clothe and feed your children, why did you have children to begin with? $15 for a pair of school pants is not outrageous. When they come home, they change into their play clothes so they don't ruin their school clothes. That's how it was done in the 80's. Do you go out at night in the same clothes you wear to work that day? Or do you work?

Sorry, no sympathy for having to spend $15 for a pair of pants for school when most jeans kids get today cost $120 a pair. If you are not able to buy the clothing needed there are programs to help. The problem is, most of the people who complain about spending $15 for a pair of school pants are the same people walking around with I-phones, going to clubs on the weekends, wasting money on fast food instead of cooking and then saying they can't afford to buy the uniforms when they could buy 3 sets of uniform clothing for the amount they spend on just one Saturday night out at the club.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 09:25 AM
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I think the conspiracy is that they are making kids not question authority and blend in with the collective, thereby promoting mindless hive mentality.

In our last state, my kids could wear what they wanted within reason. School dress code said shorts had to fall within 3" of the knee, no sleeveless shirts, belts were to be worn if the pants had belt loops, and no open-toed shoes. Hair had to be natural colors, and boys had to keep it trimmed above the collar. This was all easy to follow and didn't lead to any problems as far as I could see.

In our current state, they have the drone mentality. Kids wear khaki slacks and burgundy polo shirts. Nothing is allowed to have a logo. Kids must wear belts and specific colors of socks. They have to wear a color coded lanyard and ID at all times. If it is cold out they have to wear a burgundy sweatshirt that contains the school logo. If it is really cold, they are not allowed to wear or bring an outdoor jacket into the school property unless it is entirely black with no logos (nearly impossible to find). You have to purchase their gym clothes from the school and the gym clothes are only allowed to be carried in a nylon bag that also must be purchased from the school. Kids are not allowed to have backpacks. They must carry a4" zip-up binder with them at all times and it needs to contain 8 classes worth of work and all of the materials they need (pens, calculator, art supplies, etc). Kids are not allowed to bring any thing else with them, and no they are not allowed to have lockers. It is completely ridiculous. All of this is for a public school! On orientation day all of the fees and things came to over $300, and I still had to buy uniforms and $110 worth of school supplies for each kid.

What ever happened to the gol old days when we were kids and we just showed up to school?



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 01:12 PM
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Maybe they should focus more on the curriculum?
Instead of what my kid wears to school. '
The worst thing to happen to this nation was the no child left behind BS some children need to be left behind, some need to be out of our schools if they're disruptive. Maybe Mandatory homeschooling for all idiot bullies and have no social life that would teach them!



posted on Jan, 21 2013 @ 01:13 PM
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Obviously, I can only speak from a UK perspective, but school uniforms help keep discipline, which in turn leads to a much better learning experience for the kids, hence the Curriculum is focussed on instead of having to deal with ill discipline and wasted time..

As I said before, the UK has the 6th best education system in the world, so we must be doing something right while the US is in 17th, between Belgium and and Hungary...



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by HopSkipJump

Originally posted by ldyserenity
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It's not about abiding or not...it's a scam and a sham...it's bull crap. We never had to wear them and there were never school shootings while us eighties generation went to school. And no it's not less money it's more and here there are only a few suppliers all within the very same price range which is HIGHER than the cost of a normal pair of jeans or what ever. If my kid would agree to homeschooling, she would be, because the piss poor education system in the States to begin with.


If you can't afford to clothe and feed your children, why did you have children to begin with? $15 for a pair of school pants is not outrageous. When they come home, they change into their play clothes so they don't ruin their school clothes. That's how it was done in the 80's. Do you go out at night in the same clothes you wear to work that day? Or do you work?

Sorry, no sympathy for having to spend $15 for a pair of pants for school when most jeans kids get today cost $120 a pair. If you are not able to buy the clothing needed there are programs to help. The problem is, most of the people who complain about spending $15 for a pair of school pants are the same people walking around with I-phones, going to clubs on the weekends, wasting money on fast food instead of cooking and then saying they can't afford to buy the uniforms when they could buy 3 sets of uniform clothing for the amount they spend on just one Saturday night out at the club.


I can and I do, afford both. However I can't afford vacations.



posted on Jan, 22 2013 @ 03:49 PM
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I went to a Catholic school when I was younger and we all had a school uniform. The explanation given when I asked why was , this is not verbatim as its been many years, "not everyone can afford the same level of clothing so we do not want that to be a detriment to any student. We would rather everyone where the same general outfits then people showing up and showing off."

In the current world I could see the social\economic normalization listed above plus security reasons adding to the need for a uniform outfit.

Personally i do not see a conspiracy in this.



posted on Jan, 28 2013 @ 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by ldyserenity
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I was just naming one example. Yes 12 to 15 dollars and jeans are FIVE dollars. Point made. JEANS ARE CHEAPER.

Does anybody here speaka de englais?

M'kay, I was going to give you the benefit of a doubt until you said this. Now I feel you're just either very bad at math, or full of hot air. Puhlease, I'm just a hop & a skip across the Bay from you. Where, pray-tell, where are you only paying 5 bucks for a pair of jeans?? An alternate reality?? Unless you're a savvy second-hand store purveyor, this isn't accurate jeans pricing for around here at all, not even for a Walmart. And to say you can only pay what appears to be full retail prices on the uniforms is also horse manure. Go to any of Goodwill's stores, they're everywhere around here. Most GW stores have a dedicated section now for used uniforms. You'll shell out a cool $5 for a uniform shirt and uniform pants each. HEY! That's about how much those alternate reality $5 jeans run you.

Having grown up further south from here (southern Sarasota county/northern Charlotte county areas) and having seen a shocking classist divide there between kids in the '90s, uniforms are welcome. I REALLY wish we'd had them back then. There is no reason why one kid should be harassed for wearing second hand clothes by the kid decked out in Designer Label XYZ. I grew up seeing snotty rich kids torment the poverty-level kids for their hand-me-downs and thrift shop clothes. What you could or couldn't afford to wear determined your place & worthiness on the social ladder. There's only so much that can be done by having adult intervention with that kind of bullying. It SUCKS to be harassed for your clothes, just as badly as it does for your physical looks & body build. To an adult, we know better in that looks & clothes and accumulated stuff in general do not make us better than each other. To a kid stuck in the hierarchy of pre-teens & teens? It's a VERY big deal to be tormented over something mundane like clothes. What people are glossing over is that when a kid is harassed for their clothes, it chisels away at their self-esteem in the same way that mocking a kid for their physical appearance does.

There's no reason for that to continue today. It's SCHOOL, not a fashion competition. If you want to walk around looking like < insert idolized celeb here >, do it on your own time after school. Brand labels and flashy clothes aren't necessary for learning. Granted, in a perfect world, it wouldn't be an issue in the first place, but in areas where a sharp income divide is, this policy makes sense. And in a state with such bad test scores & graduation rates as FL, this is a sound method to remind students "You are here to learn, not catwalk."
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posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 09:28 AM
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I see so socialism is ok when it comes to the kids and not ok for this country? Alot of people endorsing this will gladly spout off about unconstitutional laws and the evils of socialism yet they'll gladly endorse our kids being programmed drones. Yeah alot of sese that makes... NOT!



posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 09:31 AM
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I've been to both, schools that had uniforms, and those that didn't. I personally preferred the uniforms. Didn't have to worry about what was "popular" or if I looked "right", etc. Also, far less distracted by the opposite sex.... I also felt part of something special.

There are pros and cons to both, but personally, I have no problem with the uniform craze.



posted on Mar, 15 2013 @ 10:07 AM
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As far as the OP is concerned, here in the UK there is no uniform manufacturer conspiracy as far as I can see.
My son's uniform guidelines are: Black shoes, trousers, and suit jacket over a white button shirt, with the official school neck-tie. Everything except the neck tie can be purchased from whichever source the parents choose. I've gone for the cheapest option every year and it certainly costs much less than fashion jeans and trainers/sneakers etc.

The only things I have to buy from the school are the neck tie and the school badge/logo which must be sewn onto the suit jacket, minimal cost, and if the school makes 50 pence or so out of it I'm not really that concerned.
The sports kit for rugby/football etc is quite expensive but they do have a 'seconds' bin for kids that forget it if they have a game against another school or whatever. I've always chosen to buy it though as I prefer my lad to have his own.

Another possible difference here in the UK is that all state schools have a fund dedicated by the local authority for less advantaged parents to be able to get all of it for free if money is tight, including the sports kit.

As far as the uniform thing in general goes, I like the sense of identity my lad has with his school community. I also like that there is no distraction such as bullying over who has the latest fashion look or brand name.
When they go on external trips it is easy for the teachers to identify their student groups, and when any of them cause trouble to or from school it is easy for people to identify which school they are from.

I don't really see the 'socialist' evils of it really, but hey what do I know, I'm just a brainwashed sheep who bows and scrapes to an overlord queen, in a land where we can only legally own shotguns and rifles, and if we injure ourselves or get sick we all get healthcare which is free at the point of need. Horrible country to live in I guess.
Perhaps smartly dressed kids in school uniforms are the least of our worries.



posted on Aug, 17 2013 @ 08:53 AM
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This year is my first year having to purchase school uniforms but my gripe isn't financial. Its against the, forgive me for using this term, "nanny state". It is not an American school districts job, on a local level, run and managed by a few board members, to take care of my children. I don't need them to feed my children breakfast our lunch, I don't need them to teach them standardized morals or values, and now, determine their dress code. As a parent in the same Pinellas Co school district as the person who started this thread, it is obvious that more and more parents are giving up their roll of "raising" their children. It could just be exhaustion from working two jobs our more hours to make ends meet but this has been happening over the last 20 years, before our "economic down turn". Children come to school in rags, not because that's all they have to wear, but because they are dressing themselves. Little girls show up in coochie cutters with "juicy" on the butt because someone at home didn't stop them. Dress codes don't stop bullying. Children will single each other out over any issue, not just fashion sense. It is our job as parents to teach them that isn't right. My boys will still be bullied because of their name, or the fact their mommy is divorced, or because I show up to pick them up in a Suzuki instead of a Lexus. Parents need to do their jobs at home, and get involved on a local level to help guide changes within the school system that educates their kids.





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