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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 05:15 PM
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reply to post by frazzle
 


Nope, but when we overthrow the "Republic of Texas", I'm sure you won't be too happy




posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 05:16 PM
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As Prime Minister I invite all current stationed U.S. Military transport or fighter vehicles to dock
in Canadian air ports, ship ports and any available land space to mitigate any civil tension
that could potentially arise in the United States.

But hey, F*k me right? I've got no point of view. Listen to the Harvard Experts and Presidents. Keep doing it and see how far you'll keep going.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 05:18 PM
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You are incorrect, sir, Germany declared war on the U.S. several days after the U.S. declared war on Japan. The exact date date escapes at the moment....It wasn't "automatic" .



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 05:19 PM
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Mexico would probably be closer to the destination where they would be sent. Do you, as Prime Minister, have a working relationship with them ?




posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by streetfightingman
reply to post by frazzle
 


As Prime Minister I invite all current stationed U.S. Military transport or fighter vehicles to dock
in Canadian air ports, ship ports and any available land space to mitigate any civil tension
that could potentially arise in the United States.

But hey, F*k me right? I've got no point of view. Listen to the Harvard Experts and Presidents. Keep doing it and see how far you'll keep going.


I'm sure you do have a point of view but I have no idea what it is. Besides, you have enough of your own problems up there with Steven Harper. Maybe First Nations can clean his clock for you, no one else seems to have the ballz to stand up to him.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 05:23 PM
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I'm sure you do have a point of view but I have no idea what it is.


Please refer to my youtube video and my threads:



no one else seems to have the ballz to stand up to him.


I DO
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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 05:24 PM
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I take it, moving the topic to GW is conceding the debate? Your/s political motives are apparent now. It was a nice try.

I can only assume you are starting to see what the major networks are avoiding. The fact that there will not be a quiet continuation of your agendas. That the opposite is true, just like Clinton, Obama is merely awakening, the sleeping giant that is mainstream Americans.

You may be right though, a one way ticket to Canada for you and your ilk will suffice.....



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by nwtrucker
reply to post by HopSkipJump
[mor
I take it, moving the topic to GW is conceding the debate? Your/s political motives are apparent now. It was a nice try.

I can only assume you are starting to see what the major networks are avoiding. The fact that there will not be a quiet continuation of your agendas. That the opposite is true, just like Clinton, Obama is merely awakening, the sleeping giant that is mainstream Americans.

You may be right though, a one way ticket to Canada for you and your ilk will suffice.....


HARDLY!!!

just responding in kind to those who seem to think those things matter....

I can't seem to get something as basic as vocabulary through some of the thick heads, so we have to discuss something...

me and my "ilk"??? Seriously?? You have nothing of value to offer so you try to dream up insults. Disgusting...

Grow up, learn some vocabulary, then maybe you'll be capable of having a discussion instead of acting like a total idiot.


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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by nwtrucker
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


You are incorrect, sir, Germany declared war on the U.S. several days after the U.S. declared war on Japan. The exact date date escapes at the moment....It wasn't "automatic" .


Even so the alliances and lines in the sand had been drawn way before world war 2.

Axis=national socialism under germany and other non-imperalist nation
Allies=capitalism and zionism under england

Everything else is pretty much immatterial as far as I am conerned. War is never pretty and there are usually three sides to each story; my side, your side and truth.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by WaterBottle
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COULD be , we dont know who made the petitions or under what guise they did so.......


Nope. I know this to be true. You do too, but since you are a right winger and a Glenn Beck fan you'll deny this.


Wow so since im a conservative and i listen to glenn beck all the sudden im ignorant and dont know anything?

Im encouraging not to make assumptions, yet YOU on the other hand, are encouraging the partisan divide.......and are YOURSELF making assumptions......

But im the one to be demonized?

My god man you are blinded by your own political agenda

You say you know that the people who started these petitions, were just mad cause their guy didnt win, thats why they were started........

Yet you DONT know that............

They could have easily have been Ron Paul supporters (like myself) who saw the defamation of our constitution by this administration last round and knew what was to come......

Yet you dont want to admit that, because youd rather pin it on something else.....

They could have done it for any number of reasons.......point is you DONT know for sure, so quit trying to play like you do......

Making definitive statements on your OPINION is the height of ignorance........

Now you can continue on with your rant that im some right winger, who listens to glenn beck as if it actually MATTERED in this discussion.......

Just FYI I didnt vote for Romney

Im not the one displaying partisan hackmanship here...........as you have been through out this entire thread
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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 05:42 PM
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The Battle of Athens (Tennessee)....a True Story of citizens fighting against government tyranny, albeit local (Aug 1-2, 1946).
voxvocispublicus.homestead.com...
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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 05:42 PM
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Please refer to my youtube video and my threads:


I watched your video. Bin Laden, al qaeda and the "tolly bon" (as obama calls them) were distractions from the real cause of the middle eastern wars of US aggression. The real cause was PNACs new american century as well as the fact that Muslim countries do not want to trade in US usury currency.

Sorry but if I moved to Canada it would be to Quebec (the land of my own ancestors) where I'd just naturally have to champion their own secessionist movement.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 06:04 PM
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Conservatives are correct in some issues and wrong on other issues. More often than not they are wrong on most issues. Sorry if the truth hurts you, but it is what it is. Liberals not so much!

You guys spend way too much time with religion and gun rights and way too little time with the economy and how terrible it is. When bush was in power you guys hardely complained about anything and were pissed when liberals complained. Now the roles have been reversed!

I on the other hand DISLIKE BOTH because they are hypocrites! One party screws you one way and the other party screws you another way. Both of them screw the majority of the population and help the minority.

Ron Paul is a conservative, who unlike the majority of conservatives, does not have a love affiliation with war and empire expansion. I will give him and gary johnson the credit they deserve. However when it comes to the economy they support free markets and a very limited nanny state, which equates to disaster.
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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 06:04 PM
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I get what you are trying to convey. However, I believe you are blurring and comingling interchangably the meaning of 'country' and 'government'. I can love my country and not love my government and I'm still a patriot.

I think Lincoln said it best at the Gettysburg Address on November 19, 1863

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.............that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.


EDIT: S + F for the effort

Peace!! ID

edit on 20-1-2013 by ItDepends because: S + F



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 06:05 PM
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Please read more closely. The government is NOT the political leaders, the political leaders are NOT the government. The government is the system set up by the Constitution by which the country shall be ran. Politicians fill the offices of the Government but are not, in and of themselves "the government". I think that if you see it in that way that you will be in full agreement with me. You are an intelligent man, you make good arguments, but I think you may have made an assumption that isn't true. If you take it in the spirit that it was intended, I am sure that you will be in full agreement.


And I would be in full agreement if the system of government was so ironclad that no one could work around it's founding documents. Sadly, as we see concerning the second amendment (more on this further down), politicians can manipulate our ideals to the point of rendering them nonexistent. So, the question becomes, Are the politicians corrupt, or is the system too weak to stand against them? Answer: Both.

If the system is weak then it must be torn down and rebuilt (again and again) in order to guarantee that no one can use a loophole to deprive us of our rights.

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If we have the right to bear arms, then we have the right to any weapon sold to the public. Give the people in office enough time and the banning of assault weapons will open the door to banning all rifles, but you can own a hand gun. But, handguns are too dangerous, so these will be banned, but you can own crossbows. But, crossbows are too silent of a weapon, let's ban them, but you can still own hunting knives. Hunting knives can be used as weapons, so there you go, you're right to bear arms is still in tact.
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The police can't stop you from doing anything if they have no probable cause, but walk into an airport and law enforcement can probe a virgin nun's private parts until they are satisfied and need a smoke. What? Turning cockpits into a secure area with unbreakable doors, hiring federal agents to fly on each plane, and screening individuals requesting entry into our country isn't enough?
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We have the right to assembly, but when we want to protest a national convention, that right is moved a mile away in an obscure fenced in area where our voices can't be heard.
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If the foundation of our government can be manipulated in such ways, then that foundation is so weak that it protects no one, and must be changed.
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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 06:08 PM
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The word 'Patriot' has taken on a much greater meaning to those who are willing to endure the ultimate sacrifice. To suggest that patriotism merely means blind nationalism is, as you say, moronic.The allegiance is to an idea, not an inanimate object.There may be competing opinions as to what that idea is, there may be patriots on competing ends of the spectrum, but ultimately their allegiance is to a conservative, traditional value system, perserverance and preservation. The idea that change is necessary, or acceptible even, might be considered anti-patriotic, but patriots are typically tollerant of other ideas, yet ultimately, there is a limit to their tollerance. You seem to have confused the ebb and flow of this tollerance for failing patriotism, but it is nothing of the sort!



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 06:20 PM
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ahahahahahahahaha ... aren't you funny

well, since the government we have today is anything BUT a Constitutional or Republican form of government, or a government of the people, by the people, for the people, it then becomes the scripted duty of the people to overturn it and install a new one that suits their needs of the day.

really, you should read MORE than the Constitution, if you've even made it that far



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 06:27 PM
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Ron Paul is a conservative, who unlike the majority of conservatives, does not have a love affiliation with war and empire expansion. I will give him and gary johnson the credit they deserve. However when it comes to the economy they support free markets and a very limited nanny state, which equates to disaster.


I love Ron Paul.........but to say that conservatives have no idea how the economy works an indication that somehow you do....... and then go on to say that a free market system with limited gov is a disaster...........

Well thats just laughable



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 06:30 PM
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Methinks he doth protest too much... I shouldn't complain though. Your continued finger pointing at Bush is a definite plus for us. the longer you waste time on him, the faster the Obama crowd fails.

Once again, you waive interest when you expose yourself with the left wing playbook on GW. As with any "exposer", not very impressive.


All you have posted lost it's credibilty with that room temprature I.Q. attack.

I'm done with you.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 06:31 PM
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Huh?? Wha??? We don't have a constitution? Huh? WTF


EDIT: "overturn it" ?????? huh?? wha??? Didn't we just have an election? Huh? WTF


Peace!! ID
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