A thought that tickled my brain

I've got an interesting question for the religious community...

The two commandments Jesus gave were:

Love God...

And love your neighbour as you love yourselves...

But....

What if one does not love him/her self?

In fact, what does said person do if he/she actually hates themself?

Many go through life, and at some point they end up hating what they've become...

I thought this might be an interesting discussion so lets see where it goes...

By the way... I have no food for the trolls... So you guys will have to feast elsewhere

Originally posted by Akragon
I've got an interesting question for the religious community...

The two commandments Jesus gave were:

Love God...

And love your neighbour as you love yourselves...

But....

What if one does not love him/her self?

In fact, what does said person do if he/she actually hates themself?

Many go through life, and at some point they end up hating what they've become...

I thought this might be an interesting discussion so lets see where it goes...

By the way... I have no food for the trolls... So you guys will have to feast elsewhere

If one hates himself, he fails in the first rule which is to love God with his whole mind, body, and soul.

If any part of a man is filled with hatred, how could he ever love God fully? Part of this man has a hatred for God's creation.

He should say "i love me, because God loves me".

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I am in no way, shape, or form a religious person, but I'm fairly certain that through the eyes of most religious people, hating yourself is worse than the others.


Do not harm the temple of god.(something like that anyways).
I am my god. I've hated my god for quite some time now.


Another thought:
If a religious person hates themselves, then wouldn't that mean that their religion has failed them? Thus no longer a religious person.

Perhaps i'll play the devil's advocate here... for the sake of conversation

25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,

26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Originally posted by backcase

If any part of a man is filled with hatred, how could he ever love God fully? Part of this man has a hatred for God's creation.

If that is true, then god must have difficulties showing affection.

Religion has been the root cause for so much blood throughout the years. There is no sign of stopping anytime soon either.

Sometimes, it even seems like those whom love their god the most, are the same ones with the most hate.

I used to hate myself, but I eventually learned to love myself when I found God. Not going to bother getting into it, but if you're interested just check out my signature as it will explain a lot.

I can't say I 'hate' God, because I don't but I am disappointed in him. If he's all powerful and mighty, it shouldn't be too hard for him to solve our current issues in the World due to Hunger, Greed, Selfishness, and all else. The fact that he would sit by and watch others who are so helpless with themselves get completely destroyed throughout life keeps me at an 'agnostic' point of view but from what I see, I do fully believe in God but our dead beat Father could do more even without the need of revealing himself to the World. I know I could if I was God.

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You said
"Sometimes, it even seems like those whom love their god the most, are the same ones with the most hate. "

but Jesus says something like "he who is considered the least among the kingdom of men, is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven"

Maybe those who seem to love God the most, do not. No one has perfect judgement but God eh? No one knows a man like God knows him.

Originally posted by TheProphetMark
I used to hate myself, but I eventually learned to love myself when I found God. Not going to bother getting into it, but if you're interested just check out my signature as it will explain a lot.

I can't say I 'hate' God, because I don't but I am disappointed in him. If he's all powerful and mighty, it shouldn't be too hard for him to solve our current issues in the World due to Hunger, Greed, Selfishness, and all else. The fact that he would sit by and watch others who are so helpless with themselves get completely destroyed throughout life keeps me at an 'agnostic' point of view but from what I see, I do fully believe in God but our dead beat Father could do more even without the need of revealing himself to the World. I know I could if I was God.

And so to love Him with our whole mind, body, and soul becomes a greater merit as it is a great task. The answers are there, it is up to us to look for them.

Originally posted by Akragon
Perhaps i'll play the devil's advocate here... for the sake of conversation

25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,

26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

I was waiting for that.

The gospel of thomas omits something I have read in another version of the Gospel where He says to hate in a holy way.

The "hatred" which Jesus speaks of is towards the shackles of a man's life which may come before God. If any of these comforts are brought to a greater love than a man's love for God (as in the first commandment) then it becomes a form of idolatry which keeps a man from his perfect love for God.

Originally posted by Akragon
I've got an interesting question for the religious community...

The two commandments Jesus gave were:
Love God...
And love your neighbour as you love yourselves...
But....
What if one does not love him/her self?
In fact, what does said person do if he/she actually hates themself?
Many go through life, and at some point they end up hating what they've become...
I thought this might be an interesting discussion so lets see where it goes...
By the way... I have no food for the trolls... So you guys will have to feast elsewhere

Akragon; if one hated itself and God double whammy; gets one off the hook.

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I think you'll have to explain that one...

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by vethumanbeing

 

I think you'll have to explain that one...

No belief system in place regarding their own understanding of their existance or a relationship with God, period. Off the hook for: Everything imaginable regarding religious doctrine, from responsibility to fellow mankind to forgetting to feed the dogs.

Originally posted by BrokenCircles

Originally posted by backcase

If any part of a man is filled with hatred, how could he ever love God fully? Part of this man has a hatred for God's creation.

If that is true, then god must have difficulties showing affection.

Religion has been the root cause for so much blood throughout the years. There is no sign of stopping anytime soon either.

Sometimes, it even seems like those whom love their god the most, are the same ones with the most hate.

edit on 1/19/13 by BrokenCircles because: (no reason given)

Let say that in the future we could destroy all Organized Religions (and kill the creators in everyone's mind)... That still left us some major issues that we need to solve: race, social status, etc

But I think all of the remaining issues just needs Extra Subject in school: Ego Slayer.

Originally posted by Akragon
Perhaps i'll play the devil's advocate here... for the sake of conversation

25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,

26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

You know how you're always going on about Hebrews 9:27 not being against reincarnation?

Same thing here -- Jesus is not saying that you should "hate" anyone.

Here's a source from my buddies Jews for Jesus.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by Akragon
Perhaps i'll play the devil's advocate here... for the sake of conversation

25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,

26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

You know how you're always going on about Hebrews 9:27 not being against reincarnation?

Same thing here -- Jesus is not saying that you should "hate" anyone.

Here's a source from my buddies Jews for Jesus.

Thank you my friend... I know this...

Did you miss the "Devils advocate" thing in my reply?

Im just looking for interesting responses...

sometimes you gotta poke the beast

Originally posted by dodol

Originally posted by BrokenCircles

Originally posted by backcase

If any part of a man is filled with hatred, how could he ever love God fully? Part of this man has a hatred for God's creation.

If that is true, then god must have difficulties showing affection.

Religion has been the root cause for so much blood throughout the years. There is no sign of stopping anytime soon either.

Sometimes, it even seems like those whom love their god the most, are the same ones with the most hate.

edit on 1/19/13 by BrokenCircles because: (no reason given)

Let say that in the future we could destroy all Organized Religions (and kill the creators in everyone's mind)... That still left us some major issues that we need to solve: race, social status, etc

But I think all of the remaining issues just needs Extra Subject in school: Ego Slayer.

If all organized religions vanished, there would have to be a mandate in place; for that to happen, all rennouned dead philosophers have to be reserrected. We might then have a chance dealing with Ego; as far as addressing social interaction or customs between races goes (anthropology); is Margaret Mead still alive?

Originally posted by backcase
reply to post by BrokenCircles

 

You said
"Sometimes, it even seems like those whom love their god the most, are the same ones with the most hate. "

but Jesus says something like "he who is considered the least among the kingdom of men, is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven"

Maybe those who seem to love God the most, do not. No one has perfect judgement but God eh? No one knows a man like God knows him.

God created the potencial for something such as man or anything else (for that matter) to exist. Man defines God. It is not the other way around. God was clueless and lonely, it had no idea of itself and so allowed itself to fracture into small parts in order to occupy gross matter (give it consciousness) and explore its own beingness.
Devout God lovers tend/seem to be the worst of the judgmental human haters. Something rings circular-do they dispise themselves first and foremost? Is there a pathology here? As to whom created man? Someone else hands on, laboratory setting not God itself (but the potencial was there and it occured).

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I don't think you actually have to love yourself, and it would be prudent here to see which Greek word is used for love considering they have 5 different ones and each is translated as "love" in English. But generally that verse means to treat others they way I would want to be treated. Example being if I was hungry I would want someone to offer me some food, or thirsty a drink of cold water.

Originally posted by vethumanbeing

Originally posted by backcase
reply to post by BrokenCircles

 

You said
"Sometimes, it even seems like those whom love their god the most, are the same ones with the most hate. "

but Jesus says something like "he who is considered the least among the kingdom of men, is the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven"

Maybe those who seem to love God the most, do not. No one has perfect judgement but God eh? No one knows a man like God knows him.

God created the potencial for something such as man or anything else (for that matter) to exist. Man defines God. It is not the other way around. God was clueless and lonely, it had no idea of itself and so allowed itself to fracture into small parts in order to occupy gross matter (give it consciousness) and explore its own beingness.
Devout God lovers tend/seem to be the worst of the judgmental human haters. Something rings circular-do they dispise themselves first and foremost? Is there a pathology here? As to whom created man? Someone else hands on, laboratory setting not God itself (but the potencial was there and it occured).

edit on 19-1-2013 by vethumanbeing because: (no reason given)

Man does not define God, nor is God so clueless and lonely that man must be made.

"do they dispise themselves first and foremost?"

Yes, we should, when faced with our own sin. If we catch ourselves judging or swearing then we should despise what of us is corrupt, but love it knowing that it is through these sins that we may conquer the Kingdom of Heaven, by denying them and becoming love fully.

It is also humble to know that we are sinners, and we should always compare our worst faults to Jesus' perfection in order to grow in humility.

The last questions you should find for yourself.

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therein lies the problem...

most People don't love themselves!

Maybe they don't know what love is? I am still learning about love. It is not a simple thing.