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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 04:04 PM
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reply to post by ChesterJohn
 
Grimsby is a very small place on the east coast of England. It's been down on its luck for years and news items are just local dramas.

This news story is less likely to be part of a false-flag scheme by secret powers to censor the internet than just yet another slow news day in Grimsby.

The writer probably works part-time and will be thrilled to see the website getting a few hits. Chances are the staff have gone out and had a few pints to celebrate the site-clicks from outside the borough.




posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 04:19 PM
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Well in my opinion the parents are obviously a little sheltered in their world view, they called the police in the first instance...How naive can you get?!

I don't have any parental controls in place for the internet in our house, I just don't see the need, if my kids are doing wrong as a general rule I can sniff it out from fifty paces.

The worst thing my son ever did was google the word "boobies" when he was 7, all it took was a DS ban for a week to pull him back into line.

Neither of my kids know what tor is at the moment, but when they are older, and I believe they are ready to understand I will fill them in.

You cannot hide the world from kids, but you can tool them up to better understand the consequences, as one day they themselves will become the adults.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 04:47 PM
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Wait what? People have paid for TOR?



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 05:00 PM
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Does anyone know how to access conspiracy sites down there, where to find them? Was on it for awhile and nothing interested me, I love ATS but I would really like to know what the conspiracy sites are saying in the deep web.... Any advice would be greatly appreciated
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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 05:10 PM
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The kid must have had intent to find it unless his dad already had it on there, kid found it and the dad found it hard to explain to his wifey. ^^

but its really easy now to access it, TOR comes pre-configured now, you just download and install like any other program. grab a link for the sites I won't mention here. I saw an AK-47 on there ,...Ricin.... lots of bad stuff.

I even managed to get it up on my iPhone using the Onion browser.

Its TOO easy to access in my opinion. and used for all the wrong reasons.

It could be put to Sooooo much use!!!!!!



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by TrentReznor
The kid must have had intent to find it unless his dad already had it on there, kid found it and the dad found it hard to explain to his wifey. ^^

but its really easy now to access it, TOR comes pre-configured now, you just download and install like any other program. grab a link for the sites I won't mention here. I saw an AK-47 on there ,...Ricin.... lots of bad stuff.

I even managed to get it up on my iPhone using the Onion browser.

Its TOO easy to access in my opinion. and used for all the wrong reasons.

It could be put to Sooooo much use!!!!!!


haha so wait let me guess - pay up front?

My question is if anonymous can shut down the child porn sites why can't the government....with the supercomputers....right....??

What is preventing this? Am I completely missing something here?



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by NarrowGate

Originally posted by ChesterJohn
One of the things no one has pointed out so far (at least in what I have read) is that this is a tactic to get the govt to pass laws banning, limiting and regulating the internet both Broadband and Dark net.

This is the true reason behind this new article.

The ADD was added to garner support that a child who is handicapped (right!) had found it so easy to enter a place that takes some knowledge to get into.

Lie, distortions and slight of hand techniques to get people riled up to regulate the internet.


ADD is a handicap?

I always considered it a compliment.


It is officially listed as a handicap so you can collect free govt help, meds and special educational needs at the expense of us tax paying citizens.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 08:57 PM
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Anon failed. They could not shut down anything. The sites that was claimed to have been taken down are still there(at least the onion ones).

You pay up front, but the more reputable sites have comment sections to report ripoff artists and whatnot. If you want to buy illegal things, there is always great risk involved, even on TOR. TOR you got to worried about being ripped off your bitcoins, IRL you got to worry that the seller is an undercover cop etc.
edit on Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:01:45 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by ChesterJohn

Originally posted by NarrowGate

Originally posted by ChesterJohn
One of the things no one has pointed out so far (at least in what I have read) is that this is a tactic to get the govt to pass laws banning, limiting and regulating the internet both Broadband and Dark net.

This is the true reason behind this new article.

The ADD was added to garner support that a child who is handicapped (right!) had found it so easy to enter a place that takes some knowledge to get into.

Lie, distortions and slight of hand techniques to get people riled up to regulate the internet.


ADD is a handicap?

I always considered it a compliment.


It is officially listed as a handicap so you can collect free govt help, meds and special educational needs at the expense of us tax paying citizens.



Who said I don't pay taxes? I don't collect any of that stuff. To your knowledge, I do not even have ADD. I have only revealed being called ADD.


[/messing with you]



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by NarrowGate
I would have thought this would be obvious to everyone:

It was funded by the US Navy.

It is an apparent "hub for criminal activity on the net."

You know what never mind.

I applaud the Navy for this, much more effective than dateline's how to catch a predator.

I wonder if they are even bothering to arrest them when they catch them


Is anyone here foolish enough to actually BELIEVE this is untraceable? Almost everything can be traced somehow, and at the very least the purchases and the buyers are not as anonymous as they think. The ones behind it some of it, IDK I hope they are not good at what they do. I honestly do doubt it...


Hem Navy Huh? NSA, ring any bells people.

Dark Net is a bi-product of the internet broadband. Broadband is for the public while dark band is for the govt and shadow orgs. Then the geeks got into via major software developers that they worked for and started it down the road to allow more and more people to participate in internet that the general public is not supposed to use.

From their is has been exploited by criminal minds and orgs, perverts, ANONYMOUS, hackers from every country, green peace, SORO's Think Tanks, and now 12 year olds with ADD.

What next?



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by NarrowGate
 


Anon failed. They could not shut down anything. The sites that was claimed to have been taken down are still there(at least the onion ones).
edit on Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:59:02 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)


They shut it down temporarily DDOS come on man I know I worded it wrong but you got the point surely...

You telling me the freaking govt can't do the same thing, only permanently? It would cost money..... worth it if you ask me. Especially to keep the servers up that allow the people in corrupt countries to access what they want to and get real news....



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 09:05 PM
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No, I thought you might have been one of those people that thought anon took them out permanently.
Thing is, you cannot do these things, without screwing it up for everyone, it puts too much of a load on the entire node system. The way TOR is built, it is either all or nothing basically. You either have TOR, and tolerate the grimey stuff, or no one has TOR.
edit on Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:06:16 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 09:05 PM
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Originally posted by NarrowGate

Originally posted by ChesterJohn

Originally posted by NarrowGate

Originally posted by ChesterJohn
One of the things no one has pointed out so far (at least in what I have read) is that this is a tactic to get the govt to pass laws banning, limiting and regulating the internet both Broadband and Dark net.

This is the true reason behind this new article.

The ADD was added to garner support that a child who is handicapped (right!) had found it so easy to enter a place that takes some knowledge to get into.

Lie, distortions and slight of hand techniques to get people riled up to regulate the internet.


ADD is a handicap?

I always considered it a compliment.


It is officially listed as a handicap so you can collect free govt help, meds and special educational needs at the expense of us tax paying citizens.



Who said I don't pay taxes? I don't collect any of that stuff. To your knowledge, I do not even have ADD. I have only revealed being called ADD.


[/messing with you]


never said you dont pay taxes. I just implied that those who go for govt freebees because the are handicapped generally don't pay. sorry I used "you" maybe "they" wopuld have been better.

on a side not: we were all hyper in our days of old. My parents chose not to give me meds. All my friends whose parents went for the meds now my old friends they have been all diagnosed as being Bi-polar. that is for another thread topic though.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 09:07 PM
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anyone start a thread on the new Kim Dotcom web site?



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 09:18 PM
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Yeah man, crazy how they give straight up speed (amphetamine salts) to kids. Anything to get that grade and get that money though right?

I wonder if they sell amphetamines on the dark web and it is related to some kind of conspiracy or something like that...... ( this is a lame attempt to not get my post removed)



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 09:22 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
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Yeah, good call. When I was a kid, our computer was in the livingroom, always someone around to peep at what we were doing. I thought it sucked at the time of course, but in my old age, I understand it now. I think you should not be able to use a computer unsupervised, until you are able to buy one on your own.


My oldest didn't have a lot of computer time, because we didn't have one till she hit HS, that could go online (yeah, been that long ago, lol). Even then, she wasn't allowed unmonitored access. The current teen is a real blessing; a kid that understand how stupid some teens act online, revealing things about themselves, and a teen that has no interest in watching things parents would not want their kid to watch. I love having a kid that doesn't want to watch even a heaving kissing scene! Rare, I know, but nice. Proof that not all teens are animals, unable to display any morals at all! My younger kids are home schooled (as the current teen has been), and they don't act the way a lot of kids their age do. No questions about sex (aged 9-12), no drug worries, and they mostly behave. Typical sibling stuff, and some standard kid rebellion, but not the issues a lot of kids these days have. I have heard stuff from some kids that I can hardly believe they even know about. My younger set never even complains about supervision. They have been taught that there are some bad people that get online, and that we grownups have to make sure no one bothers them. The worst mine have ever done was to turn on a video game when they should have been doing school work. I did get complaints there, but I will take that over the other issues. Some of the stories we can read about are enough to give any parent nightmares!



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 09:26 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by NarrowGate
 


No, I thought you might have been one of those people that thought anon took them out permanently.
Thing is, you cannot do these things, without screwing it up for everyone, it puts too much of a load on the entire node system. The way TOR is built, it is either all or nothing basically. You either have TOR, and tolerate the grimey stuff, or no one has TOR.
edit on Sun, 20 Jan 2013 21:06:16 -0600 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)


Interesting.

Well, I know everyone on this site does not believe, but there is an old saying of God's. "Let the wheat and the weeds grow together." You can not remove the evil from the world without also ripping out the roots of some of the good.

I say they just find a way to track people on it, I mean surely an agency like the NSA could do this. Right? If not, I would be interested to know how. I am not what they call tech-savvy.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 09:35 PM
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If it were easy to track, no one would use it I would think. By default, you are bouncing encrypted data through three nodes. I have linux program that give me even more control. If I am say, testing my own firewall, I am not worried about being anon, so I only use one node to simulate a scan or attack from the outside quickly. If you are needing even more anon, and not worried about speed, you can bounce through many more nodes. In order to track a user, you would have to own all the nodes bounced through.



posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 10:22 PM
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The alphabet boys could not remote-access this? I could see why it might not hold up in court - but surely they can get the evidence needed to know what is going on. From there, all they have to do is wait it out and find an excuse.

I am not saying they should use tactics like this on every little illegal transaction, for this would be of no benefit to the tax payers - but child porn? Catch them by any means necessary.
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posted on Jan, 20 2013 @ 10:32 PM
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Not sure what you mean by remote accessing. Besides, what is going on, is users upload content to central servers, allowing anyone to access it from said servers for free. Don't take a rocket surgeon to figure that out. I am sure they have more important things to worry about than people wanking to pixels on a screen. Like people out there kidnapping, and such, the real crimes. I would rather they are at home in their basements watching pixels on a screen than the alternative, wouldn't you?





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