Originally posted by markosity1973
reply to post by 1YellowRose
Why oh why can't you Americans get your sh*t sorted on this issue? Yes, every farmer should be allowed a gun, as they do need them down on the farm.
There is less population density in the country, so the propensity for a mass murder to happen is lower anyways.
But why does every American on the streets of the big cities need them? Where I come from not even the police carry guns. We have a special armed
offenders squad in every city to deal with armed situations and believe me, you had better hope they don't get called on you, because they WILL shoot
offenders if they don't stand down.
America, have you not had enough of random mall shootings? What will it take for your children to be safe? When is common sense going to prevail? -
leave the guns to the professionals that are trained in their use like the army and your police force and of course the farmers who need to shoot
those pesky varmits.
edit on 20-1-2013 by markosity1973 because: (no reason given)
I would ask if you are joking here, but I know you aren't. So many issues with your statement here.
1. The 2'nd Amendment wasn't written to protect farmers, or even (though it is quite handy there) to protect your home. It was written to make sure
the people could protect themselves against a government that might become tyrannical, in the very way the founders brought us freedom from England in
the first place.
2. Self defense, which guns are very useful for, isn't just for people in the country. In fact, all wild animals aside, those in a big city are just
as likely to need guns, and good guns with high capacity, as are those out in the country. I pointed out some examples of this already, but
understand that we don't always have time to read every post, so I will offer them again. In a city, especially lately, you face a very real
possibility of having a "flash mob" (nice PC label there) show up where you are shopping, and start trashing the place, attacking people, rioting,
or whatever. It's happened time and time again, and NO ONE seems willing to address the issue. One state fair saw well over a hundred "youths"
attacking people on foot, in cars, etc. People were beaten, for simply being there, and not looking like their attackers. In other cases, stores
have been ransacked. Yet more cases, people were beaten in their own neighborhoods, with references to pending cases in other parts of the country.
In a situation like that, a high capacity weapon would be most handy, and could save your life. During the L.A. riots, there were shop owners that
used "military-style" rifles to defend their businesses from the rioters. Those businesses stayed safe! Clearly, there can be a need for a normal
citizen to have such a weapon. A home could as easily be defended, with such useful tools.
3. Police with no guns are basically useless. In a perfect world, where no one willingly committed a crime, that would work. In the real world, all
they are is a target in a uniform. The crooks will carry guns if they really want to, and unarmed police would be helpless in those cases. Even
crooks with knives, or clubs, or whatever, would be better armed than the cops.
4, Having to depend on the police can get you killed. NO offense intended to the police. It's simply that they cannot possibly get everywhere they
are needed on time. In a big city, even a decently-sized police force can't be everywhere, and can be delayed. Minutes can matter in a
life-or-death situation, which is far more common in such cities, and an unarmed citizen is at the mercy of an attacker until the cops can make it to
the scene. I just rad a story about a woman that had to shoot an intruder, to protect herself and her children. 911 was called, but they would not
have made it in time. This man entered the house, and was looking for people - opening doors and hunting them, and actually found where they were
hidden. That's when the mom had to shoot.
5. "Random" shootings are not the issue. Those happen, EVERY SINGLE TIME, in places that people are not allowed to carry a gun. A theater that has
"no guns allowed" signs. Malls that don't allow guns. Schools, where you can't even have a gun close by. Churches, where, again, you can't
have a gun. How are the children made safe? Simple; by allowing the adults to be armed so that they can protect them. I have children. I want to
see children protected. When the bad guys carry guns (and they will no matter what the laws state, as they already do), then the ONLY way to be safe
is to be armed also.