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Believe in God? How do you personally reconcile Evil? Muder? Rape? War? Etc ....?

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posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 12:47 AM
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Just spent some time in meditation and a couple hours "contemplating" this realm we all live in, where everything is temporary and filled with Madness.

So I'm posting this to hear some takes across the board on your take on how can God exist as well as Evil.


I'll give you my take:
I've seen the Ego/Mind as something that was composed and programmed into me since childhood. I've seen this Ego?mind from an Observer perspective, seeing that it wasn't ultimately me. I've seen when the body has stored up certain excess proteins, it triggers lust by stimulating the mind to produce fancy sexual images for the sake of release. I've seen the Body/Mind complex/connection, but I've seen them as not ultimately Me.

All my regrets in life, were because of Ego/Mind/Body & worldly programming complex. I've seen this in others as well.

So I guess my schism, is this whole realm, Earth, where we are born into these bodies and egos that eventually perpetuate and provoke Madness, Darkness, Regrets!!!!!

I too remember pre-existing as a soul prior to being Born. I was Aware and peaceful and was asked to come here to be born to help others. I call myself a reluctant servant, cause I don't seem to help as many others as I should ...still working on figuring out myself and seflessness ....guess you could say.

Anyway, what's your take on reconciling God and Evil within the Earth?

My take is ignorance




posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 12:56 AM
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Sin is physical life..

If you have physical life, then ye shall surely die...

God doesn't act in the physical except through your connection to the knowing that we are all one energy.

I don't see any contradictions here..

It's up to YOU, and ME.. they are our lives to lead..

No one is going to cheat the game, cheat the characters out of their choices or consequences, those are yours to keep, and be changed by..



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 01:11 AM
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“…when people really understand how easily humans’ rape and torture each other to death they will stop asking why God allows evil and start asking why God allows humans.” ~ Clay Jones



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 01:17 AM
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How do you personally reconcile Evil? Murder? Rape? War?

Simply by considering WHO is actually behind them:

The Bible relates how the Illuminati was established and it tells how it has worked.

Without understanding WHO the Illuminati are and WHAT their agenda and goals are, you are GOING to struggle to make any sense out of all this.

This is the ONE thing that links all conspiracy theories together.

Jesus exposed the Illuminati because He knew how important this was:


"He exposed the synagogue of Satan (Rev. 2:9; 3:9) he denounced those who belonged to it as sons of the devil (Lucifer), whom he castigated as the father of lies (John 8:44) and the prince of deceit (2 Cor. 11:14). He was specific in his statement that those who comprised the synagogue of Satan were those who called themselves Jews, but were not, and did lie (Rev. 2:9; 3:9). He identified the Money-Changers (Bankers) the Scribes, and the Pharisees as the Illuminati of his day.

Illuminati Roots


One group and one group alone is responsible for virtually all wars and bloodshed on the face of this planet. This evil cabal is few in numbers but, like a deadly octopus, its tentacles reach out to grip and strangle untold multitudes of innocent victims. The initiates of every secret society and internationalist organization, from the Council on Foreign Relations and the Jesuits to the Bilderbergers and the Order of Skull & Bones, obey the dictates of this sinister group and tremble when standing before its leaders.

The cabalist group I refer to is the Synagogue of Satan, an ancient, yet modern, elite so politically powerful and so fabulously wealthy that even past history has been twisted, reshaped, and revised to meet its preferred version of humanity's gloomy, totalitarian future.

Religious in nature, the Synagogue of Satan is, at its essence, a grotesque, satanic cult. It's high council is composed of High Priests of Lucifer; these are men who literally worship death while practicing sexual magick and occult rituals of the blackest nature. The Synagogue of Satan


From the book: Pawns Of The Game:



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 01:18 AM
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If you remember pre-3D existence, then you will know what God is and that Good/Evil are illusions and judgements made up due to our culture, upbringing, and beliefs.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 01:55 AM
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Here's how the reconciliation occurs...you walk into a booth and confess, or you repent, get baptized etc etc etc. pretty much every god centric branch of religion; has these little things to just wipe away all the guilt or better put responsibility for their actions, a clean slate to start over with til it's that time again.

Does this change the person? Does that make the person responsible for their actions? Nope not in the slightest, it is the devil or evil tempting them to do something. Not a choice built from the desires then planted and watered to get there. It's a scape goat...a way out of personal responsibility nothing more. That's why Christ called is the redeemer; he died so that your sins can be washed away...pretty convenient yeah? That's a free ticket to do whatever one wants, place the blame off of yourself, then start it all over again unchanged as many times as you want yeah?

What else is there? Well, there's like I do take full responsibility for every single one of my choices and actions and not hiding it or putting it on anyone else...um yeah, I think the average person doesn't want to do that given the choice...it is a choice everything is a choice; so the choice is to shove it off themselves or blame something else for their actions instead...

Since I don't blame anyone or anything; for my choices and actions except for me...I have no excuse; so I live the best I can if I hurt, I do not go find a closet; I go find whom I hurt and set things right and apologize, then I take that lesson of how that person felt and how my action hurt them...and change. Otherwise; how can you learn consideration for someone else when it comes to your actions? A closet, bath, prayer or whatever doesn't afford change on it's own.

If you accept responsibility; you start learning the chain of your causes and effects, you grow more skillful in handling choices and situations in regards to how it affects, people other than yourself. You start seeing how you perpetuate your own problems and suffering as well as cause it in others. You adapt and change doing as little harm as you can; wisdom of how it all ties together grows. You see that you create all the suffering in your life and are not powerless to change it. What happens? You come to see that; whether there is or isn't a god does not matter when you take responsibility.

You see that all your suffering arises from yourself; because your reaction is a choice, to repeat mistakes or not is a choice, to extinguish your hand if it catches on fire a choice...you see that you yourself taking responsibility and understanding those affected and asking for their forgiveness and changing is a choice. This makes you your own redeemer, so with responsibility; there is zero need...to be saved from yourself by anything or anyone other than you.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 02:08 AM
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For me it's simple.

The knowledge of good and love comes from the experience of duality. If "evil" was prevented we would not know these things anymore than we would know light if there were only darkness.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 02:33 AM
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I kind of look at it this way, if everything here on earth was peachy and comfy for us then we would resent dieing and having to go to that "crappy" place called heaven.In fact we would probably consider heaven to be a type of hell compared to a perfect utopian life here on earth.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 02:43 AM
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Originally posted by Tardacus
I kind of look at it this way, if everything here on earth was peachy and comfy for us then we would resent dieing and having to go to that "crappy" place called heaven.In fact we would probably consider heaven to be a type of hell compared to a perfect utopian life here on earth.


The reality is a perfect Utopia has a population of one.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 02:49 AM
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We live in a world of duality - there is no good without bad, no up without down etc - if we didn't know the bad how would we know what good it and if there wasn't any bad - just good - it wouldn't be earth, it would be heaven. You can create your own little piece of Heaven on Earth by meditating but certainly not by meditating on the bad in the world -

By the way, it's not God who murders and kills - it's humans and until they evolve into human beings and find their higher selves - it will continue - there is no limit on along it will take - God has all the time he needs to see what these humans do with their free will........ look for the divine inside of yourself and you will find it - seek and thou shalt find!



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 02:52 AM
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The flesh sins the soul is divine. Murder,rape,cheating,stealing and all the in betweens and edges. It's all a part of learning,experiencing, and whats bad for someone might be good for another.

Some of it is population control other is just 2 different realities in the same universe that don't coexist. Meaning one killer who is sane is a lot different then the killer who is sane yet is mentally in another reality.

A killer an kill because he may have been wronged. Another killer may kill because they live in a fantasy land.

For all the people involved it's a humbling experience. It's a lesson. It also balances everything out. If everyone lived in a world where they thought everything was rainbows and stuff nobody would ever get any where.

Besides when the woods burn down a better forest will grow in it's place the ash of the burnt will feed the new.

Destruction is creation!



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 03:03 AM
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God just is. Creation flows freely from God. Not by decisions of God. God just is. God doesnt do anythin eexcept exist. From gods existence, not choice, the universe happens. The creation makes the choices.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 06:39 AM
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Dominicus i sympathise with your confusion, but dont like your idea that lust images and forces (greed and violence as well as sex of course) are caused merely by proteins. only may they be worsened by seratonin, viagra, dopamine etc, but the real causes are much deeper in the soul.

Anyway the first thing we must do is SEPARATE the two words God (big-G) from god(s) small-g, since they do NOT mean the same, any more than cat = dog. global EVIDENCE obviously does not support the idea that god necessarily means good, as millions have already noticed and pondered. theology is badly corrupted by lack of proper definitions and logic, which rarely happens in mathematics. nearly all religious paragraphs keep switching meanings between those three hugely different concepts obscured behind the single word, and cause global confusion /wars and millions of deaths across history, so failure to define that seemingly small word properly has had very serious consequences, just as in science we could blow ourselves up by mixing wrong chemicals.

(1) replace God (big-G) with BRAHMA, the Cosmic Background Plane (CBP) of Primordial "Nature" and Mind of its Observers, to mean "that nothing out of which everything INCLUDING the god(s) first appeared. a concept parallel to the big bang of astronomy.

(2) all the god(s) are MINOR entities relative to BRAHMA, and even the famous "almighty" little god of the West doesnt know where "he" came from, before abandoning his HER in favour of homosexuality / egotism / domination /revenge /"righteousness" etc.

(3) similarly separate "jesus"(yuzasaf) the primarily well-intentioned HUMAN, from "christ" the later manufactured supernatural puppet which ignorant angels inadvertently utilise to mal-influence humans. sad that jesus didnt separate himself from his previous wrathful violent "father", and ALSO left the false idea of "unconditional" love very convenient for devils to willfully utilise against humans. so you might conclude its better to stay from ALL of "them" and just pursue Common Sense and that money necessary for survival. you may define "one" set of "Principles of Goodness and Salvation" (PGS), for aliens as well as humans, but that is NOT the same as imagining there is only "one" god/alien in the sky. also BRAHMA can have no epistemological personality, so do not call it a "father" (nor mother), there is no such reality as "infinity", the caual chain limits itself within the cognitive mechanism of both humans and gods. we may never "know" how BRAHMA came about, it just WAS, the same as the first Matter shell WAS. human bodies were created genetically by aliens, but souls pre-existed, as did the gods, you have to use words very carefully.

(4) now you are ready to re-analyse all your thoughts Dominicus
goodluck, you may start to get attacked by spirits of evil MASQUERADING as "god/christ", in which case i advise you not to bother with any more questions. there >IS< a spirit of goodness /love, which most westerners call "jesus", but it is not easy to separate that from all the evil of planetary mal-administration (PMA) better attributable to his /the previous earth-butchering "father", derived from babylonian /sumerian /nibiru stories, so close down your curiosity and stick with jesus !!

Gnosticism is the route to personal certainties, BUT it requires a fierce attitude against impersonators of goodness, and will lead you into conflict with the very "god" who confused even jesus, so what hope you ? haha keep cheerful, if you cant tolerate god any more, go and have a beer, seriously, the subject can be dangerous /unstabilising. go to church ONLY to meet nice people and speculate about nice things, then you should find the jesus spirit, but dont waste your brains absorbing dogma, nor arguing with them too much, since "god" can be a form of evil, and NOT necessarily the same meaning as good, depends how and when you use the word in any sentence. this is all primarily to do with semantics /definitions /Logic in the first state, then actual experiences to confirm. a book Rozabal Line with alternative scenarios, may help you separate goodness from impersonators. Kaman 2013



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 10:01 AM
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Anyway, what's your take on reconciling God and Evil within the Earth?


God created all things through Jesus (the second person of the Trinity), that Jesus would be the one to reconcile it back to God, while holding it all together at the same time.

Colossians 1:15-20

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

John 1:1-5, John 1:10-11, and John 1:14

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus is also the one who will destroy all of God's "enemies".

1 Corinthians 15:25-28

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 11:34 AM
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Simple. Free will. God loves us so much He created us with the choice to love Him back. With that choice comes the secondary consequence that some of his created beings would choose not to.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by dominicus
Just spent some time in meditation and a couple hours "contemplating" this realm we all live in, where everything is temporary and filled with Madness.

yeah indeed it is temporary. but about madness it depends on what you mean by that. this temporary world is not vain. you know it well that God would not do anything vain.


I too remember pre-existing as a soul prior to being Born. I was Aware and peaceful and was asked to come here to be born to help others. I call myself a reluctant servant, cause I don't seem to help as many others as I should ...still working on figuring out myself and seflessness ....guess you could say.

it is interesting. I would appreciate if you say whether it is also written in the Bible or not thank you?



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 12:36 PM
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If you remember pre-3D existence, then you will know what God is and that Good/Evil are illusions and judgements made up due to our culture, upbringing, and beliefs.

In one sense Yes ......when I seen all of this here, it was sheer craziness and madness, and I was 100% sure of myself that I wanted nothing to do with Earth.

But then again, to say that Good/Evil are illusions is easy to say on a message board, but a whole other thing to say when your staring at a starving dying man on the street or hearing about a child being molested on the news by a priest.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by BigBrotherDarkness

Originally posted by Tardacus
I kind of look at it this way, if everything here on earth was peachy and comfy for us then we would resent dieing and having to go to that "crappy" place called heaven.In fact we would probably consider heaven to be a type of hell compared to a perfect utopian life here on earth.


The reality is a perfect Utopia has a population of one.


Christ said we are all one. So I imagine that if we all act as one that would suffice.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 12:50 PM
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it is interesting. I would appreciate if you say whether it is also written in the Bible or not thank you?

Jer 1:5 "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

But that's neither here nor there. I don't take just the Bible as the end all be all. There were also the Desert Fathers who used the Bible to further their Union/Enlightenment with God and they have additional writings too which I go by. I also study Buddhism (which is not necessarily considered a Religion, but merely a science/philosophy of what happens when you go within and still the mind). So if you're a dogmatic fundy who says only the Bible is the truth, then I guess now is your time to attack, judge, and point fingers. I cannot deny the fact the I remember pre-existing ....something that was debated in early Christianity because there were Christians back then that also remembered pre-existence. I believe Origin was one of them.

But that's a whole lot of digressing.

To stay back on topic, I'm just saying I see the world and I so see some good, but also I see soooo much crap. The illusion of duality, division, hatred, greed, wars ....it's all so insane.

Seriously, it's like de-evolution and religion (exoteric)is a big part of it as well.



posted on Jan, 19 2013 @ 02:05 PM
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sorry if this seems irrelevant but you are amazing me man

I am not a master of Bible but I always would see these verses in Koran and I always would think about them how could be these possible, but now you are saying that you have reached that by mysticism !!!
you have proven me that you have really stepped in the way of mysticism. I congratulate you and wish you the best wishes and more success in your path, in this world and in that world.

And [mention] when your Lord took from the children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them testify of themselves, [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we have testified." [This] - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection, "Indeed, we were of this unaware." --Koran 7: 172

I looked up Hafiz's mystic poetry for you !

Once again, if I find my way to the tavern of the Magi
The goodness of robe and rug I’ll gladly myself deny.

Like the pious, if today I put this wine behind
The keeper of the tavern will keep my cup far and dry.

And if moth-like, I spread my wings with ease
Into the heart of the flame, I’ll gladly fly.

Tell me not of Paradise, as long as I have your thought
With you in my heart, with nothing else identify.

The secret of my love is well kept within my heart
Is only given away with heart’s cry and tearful eye.

Like a bird I took flight from my cage of dust and clay
In the hope of becoming prey to eagles flying high.

Embrace me like a harp in your bosom, pluck my strings
Else a reed upon your lips, put music to your sigh.

I will not tell another the tale of my broken heart;
My love and longing for you, my broken heart will dignify.

No matter how much beauty in Hafiz multiply
For your beauty, everything I will decry, and will die.





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