Just spent some time in meditation and a couple hours "contemplating" this realm we all live in, where everything is temporary and filled with Madness.

So I'm posting this to hear some takes across the board on your take on how can God exist as well as Evil.


I'll give you my take:
I've seen the Ego/Mind as something that was composed and programmed into me since childhood. I've seen this Ego?mind from an Observer perspective, seeing that it wasn't ultimately me. I've seen when the body has stored up certain excess proteins, it triggers lust by stimulating the mind to produce fancy sexual images for the sake of release. I've seen the Body/Mind complex/connection, but I've seen them as not ultimately Me.

All my regrets in life, were because of Ego/Mind/Body & worldly programming complex. I've seen this in others as well.

So I guess my schism, is this whole realm, Earth, where we are born into these bodies and egos that eventually perpetuate and provoke Madness, Darkness, Regrets!!!!!

I too remember pre-existing as a soul prior to being Born. I was Aware and peaceful and was asked to come here to be born to help others. I call myself a reluctant servant, cause I don't seem to help as many others as I should ...still working on figuring out myself and seflessness ....guess you could say.

Anyway, what's your take on reconciling God and Evil within the Earth?

My take is ignorance

“…when people really understand how easily humans’ rape and torture each other to death they will stop asking why God allows evil and start asking why God allows humans.” ~ Clay Jones

If you remember pre-3D existence, then you will know what God is and that Good/Evil are illusions and judgements made up due to our culture, upbringing, and beliefs.

Here's how the reconciliation occurs...you walk into a booth and confess, or you repent, get baptized etc etc etc. pretty much every god centric branch of religion; has these little things to just wipe away all the guilt or better put responsibility for their actions, a clean slate to start over with til it's that time again.

Does this change the person? Does that make the person responsible for their actions? Nope not in the slightest, it is the devil or evil tempting them to do something. Not a choice built from the desires then planted and watered to get there. It's a scape goat...a way out of personal responsibility nothing more. That's why Christ called is the redeemer; he died so that your sins can be washed away...pretty convenient yeah? That's a free ticket to do whatever one wants, place the blame off of yourself, then start it all over again unchanged as many times as you want yeah?

What else is there? Well, there's like I do take full responsibility for every single one of my choices and actions and not hiding it or putting it on anyone else...um yeah, I think the average person doesn't want to do that given the choice...it is a choice everything is a choice; so the choice is to shove it off themselves or blame something else for their actions instead...

Since I don't blame anyone or anything; for my choices and actions except for me...I have no excuse; so I live the best I can if I hurt, I do not go find a closet; I go find whom I hurt and set things right and apologize, then I take that lesson of how that person felt and how my action hurt them...and change. Otherwise; how can you learn consideration for someone else when it comes to your actions? A closet, bath, prayer or whatever doesn't afford change on it's own.

If you accept responsibility; you start learning the chain of your causes and effects, you grow more skillful in handling choices and situations in regards to how it affects, people other than yourself. You start seeing how you perpetuate your own problems and suffering as well as cause it in others. You adapt and change doing as little harm as you can; wisdom of how it all ties together grows. You see that you create all the suffering in your life and are not powerless to change it. What happens? You come to see that; whether there is or isn't a god does not matter when you take responsibility.

You see that all your suffering arises from yourself; because your reaction is a choice, to repeat mistakes or not is a choice, to extinguish your hand if it catches on fire a choice...you see that you yourself taking responsibility and understanding those affected and asking for their forgiveness and changing is a choice. This makes you your own redeemer, so with responsibility; there is zero need...to be saved from yourself by anything or anyone other than you.

For me it's simple.

The knowledge of good and love comes from the experience of duality. If "evil" was prevented we would not know these things anymore than we would know light if there were only darkness.

I kind of look at it this way, if everything here on earth was peachy and comfy for us then we would resent dieing and having to go to that "crappy" place called heaven.In fact we would probably consider heaven to be a type of hell compared to a perfect utopian life here on earth.

Originally posted by Tardacus
I kind of look at it this way, if everything here on earth was peachy and comfy for us then we would resent dieing and having to go to that "crappy" place called heaven.In fact we would probably consider heaven to be a type of hell compared to a perfect utopian life here on earth.

The reality is a perfect Utopia has a population of one.

We live in a world of duality - there is no good without bad, no up without down etc - if we didn't know the bad how would we know what good it and if there wasn't any bad - just good - it wouldn't be earth, it would be heaven. You can create your own little piece of Heaven on Earth by meditating but certainly not by meditating on the bad in the world -

By the way, it's not God who murders and kills - it's humans and until they evolve into human beings and find their higher selves - it will continue - there is no limit on along it will take - God has all the time he needs to see what these humans do with their free will........ look for the divine inside of yourself and you will find it - seek and thou shalt find!

God just is. Creation flows freely from God. Not by decisions of God. God just is. God doesnt do anythin eexcept exist. From gods existence, not choice, the universe happens. The creation makes the choices.

Dominicus i sympathise with your confusion, but dont like your idea that lust images and forces (greed and violence as well as sex of course) are caused merely by proteins. only may they be worsened by seratonin, viagra, dopamine etc, but the real causes are much deeper in the soul.

Anyway the first thing we must do is SEPARATE the two words God (big-G) from god(s) small-g, since they do NOT mean the same, any more than cat = dog. global EVIDENCE obviously does not support the idea that god necessarily means good, as millions have already noticed and pondered. theology is badly corrupted by lack of proper definitions and logic, which rarely happens in mathematics. nearly all religious paragraphs keep switching meanings between those three hugely different concepts obscured behind the single word, and cause global confusion /wars and millions of deaths across history, so failure to define that seemingly small word properly has had very serious consequences, just as in science we could blow ourselves up by mixing wrong chemicals.

(1) replace God (big-G) with BRAHMA, the Cosmic Background Plane (CBP) of Primordial "Nature" and Mind of its Observers, to mean "that nothing out of which everything INCLUDING the god(s) first appeared. a concept parallel to the big bang of astronomy.

(2) all the god(s) are MINOR entities relative to BRAHMA, and even the famous "almighty" little god of the West doesnt know where "he" came from, before abandoning his HER in favour of homosexuality / egotism / domination /revenge /"righteousness" etc.

(3) similarly separate "jesus"(yuzasaf) the primarily well-intentioned HUMAN, from "christ" the later manufactured supernatural puppet which ignorant angels inadvertently utilise to mal-influence humans. sad that jesus didnt separate himself from his previous wrathful violent "father", and ALSO left the false idea of "unconditional" love very convenient for devils to willfully utilise against humans. so you might conclude its better to stay from ALL of "them" and just pursue Common Sense and that money necessary for survival. you may define "one" set of "Principles of Goodness and Salvation" (PGS), for aliens as well as humans, but that is NOT the same as imagining there is only "one" god/alien in the sky. also BRAHMA can have no epistemological personality, so do not call it a "father" (nor mother), there is no such reality as "infinity", the caual chain limits itself within the cognitive mechanism of both humans and gods. we may never "know" how BRAHMA came about, it just WAS, the same as the first Matter shell WAS. human bodies were created genetically by aliens, but souls pre-existed, as did the gods, you have to use words very carefully.

(4) now you are ready to re-analyse all your thoughts Dominicus goodluck, you may start to get attacked by spirits of evil MASQUERADING as "god/christ", in which case i advise you not to bother with any more questions. there >IS< a spirit of goodness /love, which most westerners call "jesus", but it is not easy to separate that from all the evil of planetary mal-administration (PMA) better attributable to his /the previous earth-butchering "father", derived from babylonian /sumerian /nibiru stories, so close down your curiosity and stick with jesus !!

Gnosticism is the route to personal certainties, BUT it requires a fierce attitude against impersonators of goodness, and will lead you into conflict with the very "god" who confused even jesus, so what hope you ? haha keep cheerful, if you cant tolerate god any more, go and have a beer, seriously, the subject can be dangerous /unstabilising. go to church ONLY to meet nice people and speculate about nice things, then you should find the jesus spirit, but dont waste your brains absorbing dogma, nor arguing with them too much, since "god" can be a form of evil, and NOT necessarily the same meaning as good, depends how and when you use the word in any sentence. this is all primarily to do with semantics /definitions /Logic in the first state, then actual experiences to confirm. a book Rozabal Line with alternative scenarios, may help you separate goodness from impersonators. Kaman 2013

Originally posted by dominicus
Just spent some time in meditation and a couple hours "contemplating" this realm we all live in, where everything is temporary and filled with Madness.

yeah indeed it is temporary. but about madness it depends on what you mean by that. this temporary world is not vain. you know it well that God would not do anything vain.

I too remember pre-existing as a soul prior to being Born. I was Aware and peaceful and was asked to come here to be born to help others. I call myself a reluctant servant, cause I don't seem to help as many others as I should ...still working on figuring out myself and seflessness ....guess you could say.

it is interesting. I would appreciate if you say whether it is also written in the Bible or not thank you?

Originally posted by BigBrotherDarkness

Originally posted by Tardacus
I kind of look at it this way, if everything here on earth was peachy and comfy for us then we would resent dieing and having to go to that "crappy" place called heaven.In fact we would probably consider heaven to be a type of hell compared to a perfect utopian life here on earth.

The reality is a perfect Utopia has a population of one.

Christ said we are all one. So I imagine that if we all act as one that would suffice.