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Madison, Jefferson and the founding fathers are lumped in with Al Qaeda by West Point Think Tank

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posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 02:13 PM
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West Point center cites dangers of ‘far right’ in U.S.
www.washingtontimes.com...


A West Point think tank has issued a paper warning America about “far right” groups such as the “anti-federalist” movement, which supports “civil activism, individual freedoms and self-government.”

The report issued this week by the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y., is titled “Challengers from the Sidelines: Understanding America’s Violent Far-Right.”

The center — part of the institution where men and women are molded into Army officers — posted the report Tuesday. It lumps limited government activists with three movements it identifies as “a racist/white supremacy movement, an anti-federalist movement and a fundamentalist movement.”

The West Point center typically focuses reports on al Qaeda and other Islamic extremists attempting to gain power in Asia, the Middle East and Africa through violence.

But its latest study turns inward and paints a broad brush of people it considers “far right.”

It says anti-federalists “espouse strong convictions regarding the federal government, believing it to be corrupt and tyrannical, with a natural tendency to intrude on individuals’ civil and constitutional rights. Finally, they support civil activism, individual freedoms, and self government. Extremists in the anti-federalist movement direct most their violence against the federal government and its proxies in law enforcement.”

The report also draws a link between the mainstream conservative movement and the violent “far right,” and describes liberals as “future oriented” and conservatives as living in the past.

“While liberal worldviews are future- or progressive -oriented, conservative perspectives are more past-oriented, and in general, are interested in preserving the status quo.” the report says. “The far right represents a more extreme version of conservatism, as its political vision is usually justified by the aspiration to restore or preserve values and practices that are part of the idealized historical heritage of the nation or ethnic community.”

The report adds: “While far-right groups’ ideology is designed to exclude minorities and foreigners, the liberal-democratic system is designed to emphasize civil rights, minority rights and the balance of power.”

The report says there were 350 “attacks initiated by far-right groups/individuals” in 2011.

Details about what makes an attack a “far right” action are not clear in the report, which was written by Arie Perliger, who directs the center’s terrorism studies and teaches social sciences at West Point.

A Republican congressional staffer who served in the military told The Washington Times: “If [the Defense Department] is looking for places to cut spending, this junk study is ground zero.

“Shouldn’t the Combating Terrorism Center be combating radical Islam around the globe instead of perpetuating the left’s myth that right-wingers are terrorists?” the staffer said. “The $64,000 dollar question is when will the Combating Terrorism Center publish their study on real left-wing terrorists like the Animal Liberation Front, Earth Liberation Front, and the Weather Underground?”


I say that report comes from a non-think tank, that was directed by the State to produce propaganda that demonizes American citizens who love liberty and the God given rights that are supposed to be protected by the Constitution and the government and to promote the collectivist/hive mentality of Left Wing Statists.


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posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 02:29 PM
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The report also draws a link between the mainstream conservative movement and the violent “far right,” and describes liberals as “future oriented” and conservatives as living in the past.


Isn't the fundamental requirement of any military omnipartisanism? If you start teaching officers that one side is good and one is bad, they might start believing it.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 02:55 PM
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It says anti-federalists “espouse strong convictions regarding the federal government, believing it to be corrupt and tyrannical, with a natural tendency to intrude on individuals’ civil and constitutional rights.


The National Defense Authorization Act(NDAA) grants the power to the US military to carry out domestic anti-terrorism operations on US soil, in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.

The NDAA authorizes the military to detain even US citizens under the broad new anti-terrorism provisions provided in the bill, once again without arrest warrant, in violation of habeas corpus and the 4th through 6th Amendments to the Constitution.

So, there is proof in that government document(NDAA) of the federal government's violation of individual's civil and constitutional rights.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by Dispo

The report also draws a link between the mainstream conservative movement and the violent “far right,” and describes liberals as “future oriented” and conservatives as living in the past.


Isn't the fundamental requirement of any military omnipartisanism? If you start teaching officers that one side is good and one is bad, they might start believing it.


That development is especially troubling.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 02:59 PM
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wow, your title is so misleading it's not even funny.

They obviously aren't talking about the "anti-federalists" from 200 years ago.

It's sort of like how republicans in the 1800s, would be considered the democrats now.

And they aren't "lumped in with Al Qaeda." The organization previously focused on al qaeda and now they are expanding what they analyze. That doesn't mean they are equating them to al qaeda. But both want to see the end of the US government, so maybe they are more alike than you'd think.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:00 PM
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All indoctrination is troubling, but when you start indoctrinating the people who are meant to be the unimpeachable arbiters of truth and justice, a.k.a. the guys with guns, it makes my bowels open all the way from the UK.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:01 PM
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“The far right represents a more extreme version of conservatism, as its political vision is usually justified by the aspiration to restore or preserve values and practices that are part of the idealized historical heritage of the nation or ethnic community.”



to restore or preserve values and practices that are part of the idealized historical heritage of the nation


Read that as, "to restore or preserve the principles of God given individual liberty upon which the founding fathers formed this nation under the US Constitution and Bill of Rights".

When we have military leaders at West Point promoting the collectivist/hive mentality over that of individual liberty, we are in worse trouble than it seems.
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posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:04 PM
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Already posted here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This really isn't political madness, though it could be construed as such. This is an actual Gov't Think Tank, not a private organization like CFR or some such. They actually get Federal Funding.

Scary stuff though indeed.
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posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by Ghost375
wow, your title is so misleading it's not even funny.

They obviously aren't talking about the "anti-federalists" from 200 years ago.

It's sort of like how republicans in the 1800s, would be considered the democrats now.

And they aren't "lumped in with Al Qaeda." The organization previously focused on al qaeda and now they are expanding what they analyze. That doesn't mean they are equating them to al qaeda. But both want to see the end of the US government, so maybe they are more alike than you'd think.


Please learn how to read properly for comprehension.

Then read the article again and again and again, until you get it.

But then, maybe you are a Statist/Collectivist/Hive shill who demonizes liberty loving people.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:08 PM
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Please explain stuff you do understand to people who don't understand it. Sitting there typing out a message which equates to "lol I'm smarter than you" serves no purpose except to furiously masturbate your own ego.
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posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
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Already posted here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

This really isn't political madness, though it could be construed as such. This is an actual Gov't Think Tank, not a private organization like CFR or some such. They actually get Federal Funding.


As a federally funded, military, "Think Tank", that has an obvious agenda to demonize liberty loving Americans, and paint them with a broad stroked brush as "extremists" is what I would call "political madness".



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:12 PM
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maybe I should turn this into a thread....
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posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by Dispo
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Please explain stuff you do understand to people who don't understand it. Sitting there typing out a message which equates to "lol I'm smarter than you" serves no purpose except to furiously masturbate your own ego.
edit on 18-1-2013 by Dispo because: (no reason given)


He has a Statist/Hive mentality. Explaining things would be a waste of time and energy at this point.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:13 PM
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Possibly, but it would be courteous to try at least once. You never know, you might change his mind, or he might change yours.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:14 PM
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Well guess what.

I proudly stand in their shadow.

Because if believing in what was founded, is bad, I don't want to be good.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The unanimous Declaration



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Dispo
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Possibly, but it would be courteous to try at least once. You never know, you might change his mind, or he might change yours.



Been there, done that, and got too many T-shirts.(wink)



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by ADVISOR
Well guess what.

I proudly stand in their shadow.

Because if believing in what was founded, is bad, I don't want to be good.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The unanimous Declaration






Exactly!

What is rather insidious is the broad stroked brush used to paint all Americans who believe in the principles of individual liberties contained in the Constitution and Bill of Rights as "extremists", "backwards thinking", "fundamentalists", etc, with groups like Skinheads, Nazi's, Al Qaeda, etc is demonizing by association. And being done by West Point.
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posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:24 PM
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As I said in my Thread...check it out. Most are on Wiki, Linkdin, etc.

Here are your experts. If they didn't actually write this study, they signed off on it.

www.ctc.usma.edu...

I am starting to believe the exact opposite of what the First lady once said. "For the first time in my life, I am proud of my country."

Me? For the first time in my life, I fear for my country.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:27 PM
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“While liberal worldviews are future- or progressive -oriented, conservative perspectives are more past-oriented


In reality, it is the so called "progressive" agenda that is "past oriented", as in past, collectivist, tyranny.

It is the principles of individual liberty that this nation was founded on that are truly progressive, and future oriented as something never seen before in the history of human government.



posted on Jan, 18 2013 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
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As I said in my Thread...check it out.


Checking it out now. I didn't know one had been posted already on this paper by West Point. I'm getting a little late start on catching up with the news today.


Most are on Wiki, Linkdin, etc.

Here are your experts. If they didn't actually write this study, they signed off on it.

www.ctc.usma.edu...


Thanks, I wanted to know the names.


I am starting to believe the exact opposite of what the First lady once said. "For the first time in my life, I am proud of my country."

Me? For the first time in my life, I fear for my country.


I'm right there with you.

I am by nature an optimist but also a pragmatist who cannot deny facts that slap me in the face like this.




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